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12 Oct 10, 07:52PM
(This post was last modified: 01 Dec 10, 11:56PM by spamma.)
After reading this thread, it came to me that the AssaultCube forums doesn't actually have a server blacklist thread.
I know it isn't up to me to decide whether or not a server can be blacklisted, as this is entirely dependant on the devs. However as a community I think that at least illegal servers or servers with excessive admin abuse should be reported.
Also, I remember that after victor returned there wasn't anywhere to actually report his server, and I thought that some sort of thread would be made like this. That never happened :P
DO NOT POST HERE IF YOU HAVE BEEN ABUSED BY A SERVER ADMIN ONLY ONCE. When I say 'excessive' I mean virtually everytime you go on this server, there are admins abusing people and so on.
So, here is the unofficial server blacklist thread! :)
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admin abuse is way too common. and my thread on how to not abuse admin has been buried. :P
*JGAN finds about 50 IP addresses to report
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12 Oct 10, 08:35PM
(This post was last modified: 12 Oct 10, 08:35PM by Brahma.)
Look... even looking nice the idea to create such a thread, I am not sure it is a good thing.
No server will be blacklisted for admin abuse, and each case must be reported/discussed separately.
Tbh, the blacklist thread is already a bad idea imo (my first post in this community was about this).
But in the case of server blacklist it becomes even more senseless because the devs are responsible to control this issue (and the devs do not read the forum all time).
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Yeah, I actually had this Idea when I posted the thread, I just didn't have the guts to make a thread about it. I PM'd Brahma and he said It was a bad idea. Maybe my time to shine isn't now :)
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12 Oct 10, 08:53PM
(This post was last modified: 12 Oct 10, 09:17PM by spamma.)
(12 Oct 10, 08:35PM)Brahma Wrote: Look... even looking nice the idea to create such a thread, I am not sure it is a good thing.
No server will be blacklisted for admin abuse, and each case must be reported/discussed separately. Keyword: excessive admin abuse.
(12 Oct 10, 08:35PM)Brahma Wrote: Tbh, the blacklist thread is already a bad idea imo (my first post in this community was about this).
But in the case of server blacklist it becomes even more senseless because the devs are responsible to control this issue (and the devs do not read the forum all time). Well yeah, but the difference between the blacklist thread and this is that the blacklist thread controls the cheaters (high popularity) as opposed to this thread(not many modded servers). Therefore, it's rather likely that there won't be as many entries in here as there are in the actual BL thread.
Because of this, shouldn't there be less worrying? I mean, I understand the devs won't be online 24/7 but it's rather likely that at least one dev will be online at any one time (or, at least the time devs spend online is greater than the time they spend offline) but there won't be many servers to shut down anyway. Plus, with the new anticheat in place there will hardly be any client blacklist entries either.
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(12 Oct 10, 08:53PM)spamma Wrote: (12 Oct 10, 08:35PM)Brahma Wrote: Look... even looking nice the idea to create such a thread, I am not sure it is a good thing.
No server will be blacklisted for admin abuse, and each case must be reported/discussed separately. Keyword: excessive admin abuse.
(12 Oct 10, 08:35PM)Brahma Wrote: Tbh, the blacklist thread is already a bad idea imo (my first post in this community was about this).
But in the case of server blacklist it becomes even more senseless because the devs are responsible to control this issue (and the devs do not read the forum all time). Well yeah, but the difference between the blacklist thread and this is that the blacklist thread controls the cheaters (high popularity) as opposed to this thread(not many modded servers). Therefore, it's rather likely that there won't be as many entries in here as there are in the actual BL thread.
Because of this, shouldn't there be less worrying? I mean, I understand the devs won't be online 24/7 but it's rather likely that at least one dev will be online at any one time (or, at least the time devs spend online is greater than the time they spend offline) but they're won't be many servers to shut down anyway. Plus, with the new anticheat in place there will hardly be any client blacklist entries either.
Checkmate Brahma.
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There is no sense in blacklisting server for admin abuse (excessive or not), since there is no rule forcing the admins to be kind.
The blacklist thread includes impersonators, offenders, abusers, and sometimes discussion.
Yesterday I checked the server list from home (using some wireless there), and I found myself banned in half of the servers!!!!!!
![[Image: server_list.jpg]](http://ac.if.usp.br/bl/server_list.jpg)
I worked hard to created the anticheats and autokicks mainly to avoid the usage of a blacklist... but I see 1.1 inherited the 1.0 blacklist!
Seriously... the blacklist itself is wrong, does not solve the issues, bring more discussion and struggle than solutions, it is awful to navigate through the old posts... and the ms moderation is a matter for the devs.
If you find an abusive server, send a PM to me or RK, or create a thread for this in cases like the PRO server.
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12 Oct 10, 09:28PM
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im sorry brahma, but ROTFLMAO!!!
to avoid f*cked up admins, i developed this a while ago. hasnt had many hits lately :/
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Now I'm concerned here Brahma. Why on earth would you be banned from all these servers?
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12 Oct 10, 10:12PM
(This post was last modified: 12 Oct 10, 10:16PM by spamma.)
(12 Oct 10, 09:18PM)Brahma Wrote: There is no sense in blacklisting server for admin abuse (excessive or not), since there is no rule forcing the admins to be kind.
The blacklist thread includes impersonators, offenders, abusers, and sometimes discussion.
Yesterday I checked the server list from home (using some wireless there), and I found myself banned in half of the servers!!!!!!
I worked hard to created the anticheats and autokicks mainly to avoid the usage of a blacklist... but I see 1.1 inherited the 1.0 blacklist!
Seriously... the blacklist itself is wrong, does not solve the issues, bring more discussion and struggle than solutions, it is awful to navigate through the old posts... and the ms moderation is a matter for the devs.
If you find an abusive server, send a PM to me or RK, or create a thread for this in cases like the PRO server.
I understand that you don't like the blacklist and I agree with the fact that it's rather pointless having one however in the past we've seen the hanze and victor situations which have caused somewhat of uproar, and now the PRO situation is being brought up again. Along with this, the blacklist isn't just used for cheaters. It's used for (as stated below) impersonators, abusers and so on.
I also understand that server owners can do as they please, but come on. It's your(the dev team's) masterserver. In my eyes that's basically saying abuse in AC is allowed. If the masterserver was one big nation, you're basically saying that some areas are allowed to go out and commit serious crimes or offense but others aren't. If you think about it, the masterserver IS one big nation. Shouldn't the same rules apply all over?
I know that "the blacklist thread includes impersonators, offenders, abusers, and sometimes discussion". However the offenses listed haven't really got anything to do with server blacklisting have they?
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13 Oct 10, 02:37AM
(This post was last modified: 13 Oct 10, 02:37AM by Brahma.)
What I want to say is:
1) The common blacklist is a bag of confusion, and do not include only cheaters (which were the reason for creating a blacklist tool). But it is community supported, so it is ok.
2) There is no server blacklist for the community. If the devs do not read this thread, it is useless. And the majority of the posts here will be "I got banned from server X... please, blacklist server X", so the devs will definitively not read this.
(12 Oct 10, 09:33PM)Ghost Wrote: Now I'm concerned here Brahma. Why on earth would you be banned from all these servers?
Because the ip which I was connecting is in the 1.0 blacklist?
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Brahma, you did cheat. For a good cause though :D (testing anti-cheat)
You know this, but just ask the server owners to fix that. I believe they could find your ip on the NZ black/whitelist. Then again, I might be wrong.
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13 Oct 10, 03:14AM
(This post was last modified: 13 Oct 10, 03:31AM by vonunov.)
Well, here's one. I'm putting this here to show people what some admins do, not necessarily to get the server "blacklisted" or anything.
Summary:
- Admin [ELITE] wins childish arguments by kicking
- Refuses to bother turning autoteam on for no apparent reason (was not trying to maintain certain teams)
- Gets pissy and threatens me when I call him out
connecting to nc| Server CAMPING ALLOWED
attempting to connect to 75.176.97.9:12345
disconnected
connected to server
read map packages/maps/official/ac_desert.cgz rev 1 (36 milliseconds)
Desert Village by Arghvark & makkE
loaded textures (0 milliseconds)
loaded mapmodels (0 milliseconds)
loaded mapsounds (0 milliseconds)
game mode is "TOSOK"
Team One Shot, One Kill: Your team starts with 1hp, a sniper rifle, a knife and no pickups. Survive with your sniper, or humiliate with your swiss steel.
time remaining: 6 minutes
connected: [ELITE]00
connected: =D
connected: |ELITE|01
connected: syndromez
connected: dmiangrcia
connected: 603HaZe
connected: |PRO|sniperman
syndromez fragged 603HaZe
you're now in team CLA
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
|ELITE|01: DAMNIT QUIT!!!
time remaining: 5 minutes
new round starting... fight!
[ELITE]00 fragged |PRO|sniperman
dmiangrcia fragged [ELITE]00
syndromez fragged =D
you fragged dmiangrcia
603HaZe fragged syndromez
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team CLA has won the round!
|PRO|sniperman: elite sucks
syndromez: lol
new round starting... fight!
|ELITE|01: i can kick you ya know
you fragged dmiangrcia
you got fragged by dmiangrcia
[ELITE]00 headshotted |PRO|sniperman
|PRO|sniperman fragged 603HaZe
syndromez fragged =D
dmiangrcia called a vote: force player |PRO|sniperman to the enemy team
Jack.is: I guess that's one way to win
vote failed
syndromez fragged [ELITE]00
player =D disconnected
connected: B0YK4
player B0YK4 switched to team RVSF
player 603HaZe disconnected
syndromez fragged |ELITE|01
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
|ELITE|01: OMG
new round starting... fight!
time remaining: 4 minutes
|ELITE|01 fragged |PRO|sniperman
connected: DarkCyberpunk
[ELITE]00: HEADSHOT TO THE |PRO| FROM [ELITE]
[ELITE]00 fragged syndromez
you knifed B0YK4
B0YK4: AFF
|ELITE|01 fragged dmiangrcia
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team CLA has won the round!
player DarkCyberpunk disconnected
new round starting... fight!
dmiangrcia fragged |ELITE|01
you got fragged by |PRO|sniperman
syndromez fragged [ELITE]00
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
connected: PF|daMnspAniarD
player PF|daMnspAniarD switched to team RVSF
new round starting... fight!
you got fragged by B0YK4
syndromez: dewd both of u clans suck if im beating u with a trackpad
PF|daMnspAniarD fragged [ELITE]00
dmiangrcia fragged |ELITE|01
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
connected: peidao
player peidao switched to team RVSF
new round starting... fight!
you got fragged by B0YK4
syndromez fragged [ELITE]00
connected: frogman
could not vote: no permission
|ELITE|01 fragged syndromez
peidao fragged |ELITE|01
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
Jack.is: autoteam?
time remaining: 3 minutes
B0YK4 fragged teammate PF|daMnspAniarD
[ELITE]00: STFU
new round starting... fight!
connected: Loan
|ELITE|01: [please litwe
player Loan switched to team RVSF
PF|daMnspAniarD fragged teammate B0YK4
player frogman switched to team CLA
peidao fragged |ELITE|01
B0YK4: AFF RETARDADO
dmiangrcia fragged [ELITE]00
you knifed syndromez
you fragged dmiangrcia
B0YK4: DA PORRA
syndromez: dude do a shuffle
PF|daMnspAniarD: shut up
[ELITE]00: STFU
[ELITE]00: STFU
[ELITE]00: STFU
you got fragged by peidao
you fragged peidao
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
B0YK4 called a vote: load map ac_douze in mode OSOK
PF|daMnspAniarD: pinche cbron
connected: MSC|IMKICKASS
new round starting... fight!
[ELITE]00: ILL DO WHAT I WANT
vote failed
you got fragged by Loan
peidao fragged [ELITE]00
Loan fragged frogman
peidao knifed |ELITE|01
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
Jack.is: WHUTEVAH
player MSC|IMKICKASS switched to team CLA
new round starting... fight!
you fragged PF|daMnspAniarD
you got fragged by peidao
syndromez fragged [ELITE]00
B0YK4 fragged MSC|IMKICKASS
MSC|IMKICKASS fragged B0YK4
frogman fragged syndromez
peidao fragged |ELITE|01
player PF|daMnspAniarD disconnected
B0YK4: AFF CAMPER
Loan fragged frogman
frogman fragged Loan
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
time remaining: 2 minutes
new round starting... fight!
[ELITE]00: syndromez IS GAY!!!!!!!!!!!
|ELITE|01 fragged B0YK4
you fragged Loan
peidao fragged frogman
peidao headshotted |ELITE|01
you got fragged by teammate MSC|IMKICKASS
[ELITE]00 fragged syndromez
MSC|IMKICKASS: srry
|PRO|sniperman fragged MSC|IMKICKASS
Jack.is: k
player B0YK4 disconnected
syndromez: wow really.. thats the best insult u got...
|PRO|sniperman fragged [ELITE]00
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
syndromez: fail...
Jack.is: Awesome admins :|
new round starting... fight!
[ELITE]00: HERE I GOT A BETTER ONE
you got fragged by |PRO|sniperman
peidao fragged |ELITE|01
MSC|IMKICKASS fragged |PRO|sniperman
peidao fragged [ELITE]00
connected: aqi
MSC|IMKICKASS fragged dmiangrcia
frogman fragged syndromez
[ELITE]00 called a vote: kick player syndromez, reason: bad language
vote passed
player syndromez disconnected
player aqi switched to team RVSF
Loan fragged frogman
[ELITE]00: HAHAHHA
connected: syndromez
Jack.is: ooooh he got told :eyeroll:
syndromez: resay 0.o
time remaining: 1 minutes
syndromez: got disconnected
Loan fragged MSC|IMKICKASS
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
[ELITE]00: your pushing it Jack.is
Jack.is: No that was it
new round starting... fight!
Loan fragged MSC|IMKICKASS
syndromez: oh lawl
player syndromez switched to team CLA
dmiangrcia fragged frogman
[ELITE]00 fragged |PRO|sniperman
|PRO|sniperman fragged [ELITE]00
|ELITE|01 fragged dmiangrcia
|PRO|sniperman: lol
Jack.is: He said "I got a better one" then kicked you because he's powerful and doesn't have to actually have any wit
MSC|IMKICKASS: lawl?
you got fragged by peidao
aqi fragged |ELITE|01
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
new round starting... fight!
you got fragged by peidao
[ELITE]00 headshotted dmiangrcia
dmiangrcia fragged [ELITE]00
peidao fragged |ELITE|01
frogman fragged aqi
|PRO|sniperman fragged syndromez
|ELITE|01: just ban them'
Loan fragged frogman
peidao fragged MSC|IMKICKASS
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
syndromez: lol fail
new round starting... fight!
peidao fragged syndromez
peidao fragged |ELITE|01
intermission:
game has ended!
"team one shot, one kill" on map ac_desert, 75.176.97.9:12345 nc| Server CAMPING ALLOWED
frags deaths cn team name
24 28 0 CLA [ELITE]00 (admin)
21 13 4 RVSF dmiangrcia
21 14 3 CLA syndromez
19 1 8 RVSF peidao
13 28 2 CLA |ELITE|01
10 11 7 CLA Jack.is (you)
9 8 6 RVSF |PRO|sniperman
7 2 10 RVSF Loan
4 6 9 CLA frogman
2 5 11 CLA MSC|IMKICKASS
1 1 1 RVSF aqi
Jack.is: Yes ban them, that's the way to be right, you're always right if there's no one else around
Demo "10/12/10 22:04:22: team one shot, one kill, ac_desert, 549.53kB" recorded
Press F10 to download it from the server..
read map packages/maps/official/ac_power.cgz rev 3 (43 milliseconds)
Power Station - by wotwot
loaded textures (524 milliseconds)
loaded mapmodels (90 milliseconds)
loaded mapsounds (451 milliseconds)
game mode is "CTF"
Capture the Flag: Steal the enemy flag and bring it to your home base. Don't let your own flag get stolen.
time remaining: 12 minutes
recording demo
connected: MOCORONGO
[ELITE]00 called a vote: load map ac_desert in mode TOSOK
vote passed
read map packages/maps/official/ac_desert.cgz rev 1 (38 milliseconds)
Desert Village by Arghvark & makkE
loaded textures (0 milliseconds)
loaded mapmodels (0 milliseconds)
loaded mapsounds (0 milliseconds)
game mode is "TOSOK"
Team One Shot, One Kill: Your team starts with 1hp, a sniper rifle, a knife and no pickups. Survive with your sniper, or humiliate with your swiss steel.
time remaining: 15 minutes
recording demo
new round starting... fight!
|ELITE|01: do it
peidao fragged MSC|IMKICKASS
you knifed |PRO|sniperman
dmiangrcia fragged teammate aqi
[ELITE]00 knifed dmiangrcia
Loan fragged frogman
you got fragged by teammate |ELITE|01
peidao knifed |ELITE|01
syndromez fragged Loan
getting demo...
MOCORONGO is now known as Goiano
player Goiano switched to team CLA
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team CLA has won the round!
writing to file: /home/jack/.assaultcube_v1.0/demos/TOSOK_ac_desert_2010.10.12_2204.dmo
received demo "demos/TOSOK_ac_desert_2010.10.12_2204.dmo"
new round starting... fight!
dmiangrcia fragged frogman
connected: cras
peidao fragged [ELITE]00
Goiano fragged dmiangrcia
|PRO|sniperman fragged |ELITE|01
syndromez fragged Loan
syndromez fragged aqi
player cras switched to team RVSF
player dmiangrcia switched to team CLA
syndromez fragged |PRO|sniperman
time remaining: 14 minutes
peidao fragged MSC|IMKICKASS
peidao fragged syndromez
player aqi disconnected
MSC|IMKICKASS: hak?
you got knifed by peidao
Goiano fragged peidao
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team CLA has won the round!
|ELITE|01 claimed admin status
peidao: Nice shot
MSC|IMKICKASS: or lag shot?
new round starting... fight!
connected: Rawn
player Rawn switched to team CLA
you got knifed by peidao
cras fragged MSC|IMKICKASS
|PRO|sniperman fragged teammate peidao
Loan fragged [ELITE]00
dmiangrcia fragged cras
Goiano knifed |PRO|sniperman
Loan fragged Goiano
dmiangrcia fragged Loan
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team CLA has won the round!
[EDITSEL] is only allowed in edit mode
syndromez: this server is too laggy
new round starting... fight!
player syndromez disconnected
Loan headshotted Goiano
^ALoan fragged |ELITE|01
peidao fragged [ELITE]00
dmiangrcia headshotted peidao
cras headshotted MSC|IMKICKASS
Loan fragged frogman
[ELITE]00 claimed admin status
|PRO|sniperman fragged dmiangrcia
cras fragged Rawn
player frogman disconnected
peidao: kick Goiano too lag
you got fragged by Loan
Rawn: uhh... xD
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team RVSF has won the round!
Goiano: lol
|PRO|sniperman fragged teammate Loan
time remaining: 13 minutes
new round starting... fight!
peidao fragged [ELITE]00
MSC|IMKICKASS fragged peidao
|PRO|sniperman fragged Goiano
Goiano fragged |PRO|sniperman
Loan fragged MSC|IMKICKASS
you got fragged by cras
Loan fragged Rawn
dmiangrcia fragged cras
peidao: dmiangrcia fck camper
Rawn: shit i need my mousepad
connected: Lua-BR
player Lua-BR switched to team CLA
connected: mexicodelic
dmiangrcia fragged Loan
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team CLA has won the round!
player mexicodelic switched to team RVSF
peidao: dmiangrcia camper
new round starting... fight!
|PRO|sniperman: watch lanuage
peidao fragged MSC|IMKICKASS
Goiano fragged mexicodelic
[ELITE]00: if your name is Jack.is you have ten seconds to leave or you will be banned
peidao fragged |ELITE|01
Goiano fragged Loan
peidao fragged Lua-BR
cras headshotted [ELITE]00
|PRO|sniperman fragged Rawn
Goiano fragged |PRO|sniperman
connected: Gnomespice
[ELITE]00: if your name is Jack.is you have ten seconds to leave or you will be banned
peidao knifed dmiangrcia
you fragged cras
player Gnomespice switched to team RVSF
mexicodelic: calmense...
time remaining: 12 minutes
player dmiangrcia switched to team RVSF
Goiano fragged peidao
peidao fragged Goiano
[ELITE]00: if your name is Jack.is you have ten seconds to leave or you will be banned
the round is over! next round in 5 seconds...
team CLA has won the round!
Gnomespice: ELITE?
peidao: merda
Rawn: lol
new round starting... fight!
Rawn: its been ten seconds
Jack.is: That was already 10 seconds lololol
|PRO|sniperman fragged Rawn
peidao fragged MSC|IMKICKASS
Loan fragged Goiano
Gnomespice: did you take pro lag's advice to make this sever?
Loan fragged teammate |PRO|sniperman
peidao fragged teammate cras
[ELITE]00 called a vote: ban player Jack.is, reason: bad language
server network error, disconnecting (vote-banned from the server) ...
disconnected
read map packages/maps/official/ac_desert.cgz rev 1 (26 milliseconds)
Desert Village by Arghvark & makkE
loaded textures (0 milliseconds)
loaded mapmodels (0 milliseconds)
loaded mapsounds (0 milliseconds)
game mode is "TOSOK"
time remaining: 15 minutes
new round starting... fight!
Demo from first game: https://uloadr.com/u/8fd.dmo
I'll get the second game demo in a bit when the ban wears off.
Second demo: https://uloadr.com/u/ur8.dmo
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Brahma blacklisted is not the problem, the servers who blacklist him are :D
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I am not blacklisted... the ip I was using in that moment was inside a blacklisted range (probably 189.78/16).
Anyway, it is not only me. There are about 1000 other possible players in this same range being affected by one or two assholes.
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maybe somewhat of topic. i think i / BC will drop the 1.0 blacklist in 1103 and just use a nick list.
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13 Oct 10, 12:52PM
(This post was last modified: 13 Oct 10, 12:52PM by Luc@s.)
(12 Oct 10, 09:18PM)Brahma Wrote: Yesterday I checked the server list from home (using some wireless there), and I found myself banned in half of the servers!!!!!! It's different, you are Brazilian :o
(12 Oct 10, 09:18PM)Brahma Wrote: Yesterday I checked the server list from home (using some wireless there), and I found myself banned in half of the servers!!!!!! It's different, you are Brazilian that's why :o
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I think a thread like this would be useful to alert other players (not the devs) about particular servers that one may wish to avoid due to issues like admin abuse. While the server probably won't get kicked off the MS, individual players may learn from the experience of others and use discretion in choosing a server to join.
As for blacklists, maybe they are a bit overused at the moment... But if I were to run a server, there are a few choice IP addresses I would definitely have blacklisted. Some people have consistently demonstrated a destructive intention, and simply don't deserve to play AC.
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I know it's late, but I'll stick with V-Man's idea. I renamed the thread to 'Server alert thread' :)
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(13 Oct 10, 02:37AM)Brahma Wrote: What I want to say is:
1) The common blacklist is a bag of confusion, and do not include only cheaters (which were the reason for creating a blacklist tool). But it is community supported, so it is ok.
2) There is no server blacklist for the community. If the devs do not read this thread, it is useless. And the majority of the posts here will be "I got banned from server X... please, blacklist server X", so the devs will definitively not read this.
(12 Oct 10, 09:33PM)Ghost Wrote: Now I'm concerned here Brahma. Why on earth would you be banned from all these servers?
Because the ip which I was connecting is in the 1.0 blacklist? a simple Account System would solve the problem...
then you can range ban them on the site if you have to.
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