Server alert thread

[spamma]

After reading this thread, it came to me that the AssaultCube forums doesn't actually have a server blacklist thread.

I know it isn't up to me to decide whether or not a server can be blacklisted, as this is entirely dependant on the devs. However as a community I think that at least illegal servers or servers with excessive admin abuse should be reported.

Also, I remember that after victor returned there wasn't anywhere to actually report his server, and I thought that some sort of thread would be made like this. That never happened :P

DO NOT POST HERE IF YOU HAVE BEEN ABUSED BY A SERVER ADMIN ONLY ONCE. When I say 'excessive' I mean virtually everytime you go on this server, there are admins abusing people and so on.

So, here is the unofficial server blacklist thread! :)

[JGAN]

admin abuse is way too common. and my thread on how to not abuse admin has been buried. :P

*JGAN finds about 50 IP addresses to report

[Brahma]

Look... even looking nice the idea to create such a thread, I am not sure it is a good thing.
No server will be blacklisted for admin abuse, and each case must be reported/discussed separately.

Tbh, the blacklist thread is already a bad idea imo (my first post in this community was about this).
But in the case of server blacklist it becomes even more senseless because the devs are responsible to control this issue (and the devs do not read the forum all time).

[Ghost]

Yeah, I actually had this Idea when I posted the thread, I just didn't have the guts to make a thread about it. I PM'd Brahma and he said It was a bad idea. Maybe my time to shine isn't now :)

[spamma]

Look... even looking nice the idea to create such a thread, I am not sure it is a good thing.
No server will be blacklisted for admin abuse, and each case must be reported/discussed separately.

Keyword: excessive admin abuse.

Tbh, the blacklist thread is already a bad idea imo (my first post in this community was about this).
But in the case of server blacklist it becomes even more senseless because the devs are responsible to control this issue (and the devs do not read the forum all time).

Well yeah, but the difference between the blacklist thread and this is that the blacklist thread controls the cheaters (high popularity) as opposed to this thread(not many modded servers). Therefore, it's rather likely that there won't be as many entries in here as there are in the actual BL thread.

Because of this, shouldn't there be less worrying? I mean, I understand the devs won't be online 24/7 but it's rather likely that at least one dev will be online at any one time (or, at least the time devs spend online is greater than the time they spend offline) but there won't be many servers to shut down anyway. Plus, with the new anticheat in place there will hardly be any client blacklist entries either.

[Ghost]

Look... even looking nice the idea to create such a thread, I am not sure it is a good thing.
No server will be blacklisted for admin abuse, and each case must be reported/discussed separately.

Keyword: excessive admin abuse.

Tbh, the blacklist thread is already a bad idea imo (my first post in this community was about this).
But in the case of server blacklist it becomes even more senseless because the devs are responsible to control this issue (and the devs do not read the forum all time).

Well yeah, but the difference between the blacklist thread and this is that the blacklist thread controls the cheaters (high popularity) as opposed to this thread(not many modded servers). Therefore, it's rather likely that there won't be as many entries in here as there are in the actual BL thread.

Because of this, shouldn't there be less worrying? I mean, I understand the devs won't be online 24/7 but it's rather likely that at least one dev will be online at any one time (or, at least the time devs spend online is greater than the time they spend offline) but they're won't be many servers to shut down anyway. Plus, with the new anticheat in place there will hardly be any client blacklist entries either.

Checkmate Brahma.

[Brahma]

There is no sense in blacklisting server for admin abuse (excessive or not), since there is no rule forcing the admins to be kind.

The blacklist thread includes impersonators, offenders, abusers, and sometimes discussion.
Yesterday I checked the server list from home (using some wireless there), and I found myself banned in half of the servers!!!!!!


I worked hard to created the anticheats and autokicks mainly to avoid the usage of a blacklist... but I see 1.1 inherited the 1.0 blacklist!

Seriously... the blacklist itself is wrong, does not solve the issues, bring more discussion and struggle than solutions, it is awful to navigate through the old posts... and the ms moderation is a matter for the devs.

If you find an abusive server, send a PM to me or RK, or create a thread for this in cases like the PRO server.

[JGAN]

im sorry brahma, but ROTFLMAO!!!

to avoid f*cked up admins, i developed this a while ago. hasnt had many hits lately :/

[Ghost]

Now I'm concerned here Brahma. Why on earth would you be banned from all these servers?

[spamma]

There is no sense in blacklisting server for admin abuse (excessive or not), since there is no rule forcing the admins to be kind.

The blacklist thread includes impersonators, offenders, abusers, and sometimes discussion.
Yesterday I checked the server list from home (using some wireless there), and I found myself banned in half of the servers!!!!!!


I worked hard to created the anticheats and autokicks mainly to avoid the usage of a blacklist... but I see 1.1 inherited the 1.0 blacklist!

Seriously... the blacklist itself is wrong, does not solve the issues, bring more discussion and struggle than solutions, it is awful to navigate through the old posts... and the ms moderation is a matter for the devs.

If you find an abusive server, send a PM to me or RK, or create a thread for this in cases like the PRO server.

I understand that you don't like the blacklist and I agree with the fact that it's rather pointless having one however in the past we've seen the hanze and victor situations which have caused somewhat of uproar, and now the PRO situation is being brought up again. Along with this, the blacklist isn't just used for cheaters. It's used for (as stated below) impersonators, abusers and so on.

I also understand that server owners can do as they please, but come on. It's your(the dev team's) masterserver. In my eyes that's basically saying abuse in AC is allowed. If the masterserver was one big nation, you're basically saying that some areas are allowed to go out and commit serious crimes or offense but others aren't. If you think about it, the masterserver IS one big nation. Shouldn't the same rules apply all over?

I know that "the blacklist thread includes impersonators, offenders, abusers, and sometimes discussion". However the offenses listed haven't really got anything to do with server blacklisting have they?

[Brahma]

What I want to say is:

1) The common blacklist is a bag of confusion, and do not include only cheaters (which were the reason for creating a blacklist tool). But it is community supported, so it is ok.

2) There is no server blacklist for the community. If the devs do not read this thread, it is useless. And the majority of the posts here will be "I got banned from server X... please, blacklist server X", so the devs will definitively not read this.

Now I'm concerned here Brahma. Why on earth would you be banned from all these servers?

Because the ip which I was connecting is in the 1.0 blacklist?

[Ronald_Reagan]

Brahma, you did cheat. For a good cause though :D (testing anti-cheat)
You know this, but just ask the server owners to fix that. I believe they could find your ip on the NZ black/whitelist. Then again, I might be wrong.

[vonunov]

Well, here's one. I'm putting this here to show people what some admins do, not necessarily to get the server "blacklisted" or anything.

Summary:
- Admin [ELITE] wins childish arguments by kicking
- Refuses to bother turning autoteam on for no apparent reason (was not trying to maintain certain teams)
- Gets pissy and threatens me when I call him out

Code:

connecting to nc| Server CAMPING ALLOWED attempting to connect to 75.176.97.9:12345 disconnected connected to server read map packages/maps/official/ac_desert.cgz rev 1 (36 milliseconds) Desert Village by Arghvark & makkE loaded textures (0 milliseconds) loaded mapmodels (0 milliseconds) loaded mapsounds (0 milliseconds) game mode is "TOSOK" Team One Shot, One Kill: Your team starts with 1hp, a sniper rifle, a knife and no pickups. Survive with your sniper, or humiliate with your swiss steel. time remaining: 6 minutes connected: [ELITE]00 connected: =D connected: |ELITE|01 connected: syndromez connected: dmiangrcia connected: 603HaZe connected: |PRO|sniperman syndromez fragged 603HaZe you're now in team CLA the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! |ELITE|01: DAMNIT QUIT!!! time remaining: 5 minutes new round starting... fight! [ELITE]00 fragged |PRO|sniperman dmiangrcia fragged [ELITE]00 syndromez fragged =D you fragged dmiangrcia 603HaZe fragged syndromez the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team CLA has won the round! |PRO|sniperman: elite sucks syndromez: lol new round starting... fight! |ELITE|01: i can kick you ya know you fragged dmiangrcia you got fragged by dmiangrcia [ELITE]00 headshotted |PRO|sniperman |PRO|sniperman fragged 603HaZe syndromez fragged =D dmiangrcia called a vote: force player |PRO|sniperman to the enemy team Jack.is: I guess that's one way to win vote failed syndromez fragged [ELITE]00 player =D disconnected connected: B0YK4 player B0YK4 switched to team RVSF player 603HaZe disconnected syndromez fragged |ELITE|01 the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! |ELITE|01: OMG new round starting... fight! time remaining: 4 minutes |ELITE|01 fragged |PRO|sniperman connected: DarkCyberpunk [ELITE]00: HEADSHOT TO THE |PRO| FROM [ELITE] [ELITE]00 fragged syndromez you knifed B0YK4 B0YK4: AFF |ELITE|01 fragged dmiangrcia the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team CLA has won the round! player DarkCyberpunk disconnected new round starting... fight! dmiangrcia fragged |ELITE|01 you got fragged by |PRO|sniperman syndromez fragged [ELITE]00 the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! connected: PF|daMnspAniarD player PF|daMnspAniarD switched to team RVSF new round starting... fight! you got fragged by B0YK4 syndromez: dewd both of u clans suck if im beating u with a trackpad PF|daMnspAniarD fragged [ELITE]00 dmiangrcia fragged |ELITE|01 the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! connected: peidao player peidao switched to team RVSF new round starting... fight! you got fragged by B0YK4 syndromez fragged [ELITE]00 connected: frogman could not vote: no permission |ELITE|01 fragged syndromez peidao fragged |ELITE|01 the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! Jack.is: autoteam? time remaining: 3 minutes B0YK4 fragged teammate PF|daMnspAniarD [ELITE]00: STFU new round starting... fight! connected: Loan |ELITE|01: [please litwe player Loan switched to team RVSF PF|daMnspAniarD fragged teammate B0YK4 player frogman switched to team CLA peidao fragged |ELITE|01 B0YK4: AFF RETARDADO dmiangrcia fragged [ELITE]00 you knifed syndromez you fragged dmiangrcia B0YK4: DA PORRA syndromez: dude do a shuffle PF|daMnspAniarD: shut up [ELITE]00: STFU [ELITE]00: STFU [ELITE]00: STFU you got fragged by peidao you fragged peidao the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! B0YK4 called a vote: load map ac_douze in mode OSOK PF|daMnspAniarD: pinche cbron connected: MSC|IMKICKASS new round starting... fight! [ELITE]00: ILL DO WHAT I WANT vote failed you got fragged by Loan peidao fragged [ELITE]00 Loan fragged frogman peidao knifed |ELITE|01 the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! Jack.is: WHUTEVAH player MSC|IMKICKASS switched to team CLA new round starting... fight! you fragged PF|daMnspAniarD you got fragged by peidao syndromez fragged [ELITE]00 B0YK4 fragged MSC|IMKICKASS MSC|IMKICKASS fragged B0YK4 frogman fragged syndromez peidao fragged |ELITE|01 player PF|daMnspAniarD disconnected B0YK4: AFF CAMPER Loan fragged frogman frogman fragged Loan the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! time remaining: 2 minutes new round starting... fight! [ELITE]00: syndromez IS GAY!!!!!!!!!!! |ELITE|01 fragged B0YK4 you fragged Loan peidao fragged frogman peidao headshotted |ELITE|01 you got fragged by teammate MSC|IMKICKASS [ELITE]00 fragged syndromez MSC|IMKICKASS: srry |PRO|sniperman fragged MSC|IMKICKASS Jack.is: k player B0YK4 disconnected syndromez: wow really.. thats the best insult u got... |PRO|sniperman fragged [ELITE]00 the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! syndromez: fail... Jack.is: Awesome admins :| new round starting... fight! [ELITE]00: HERE I GOT A BETTER ONE you got fragged by |PRO|sniperman peidao fragged |ELITE|01 MSC|IMKICKASS fragged |PRO|sniperman peidao fragged [ELITE]00 connected: aqi MSC|IMKICKASS fragged dmiangrcia frogman fragged syndromez [ELITE]00 called a vote: kick player syndromez, reason: bad language vote passed player syndromez disconnected player aqi switched to team RVSF Loan fragged frogman [ELITE]00: HAHAHHA connected: syndromez Jack.is: ooooh he got told :eyeroll: syndromez: resay 0.o time remaining: 1 minutes syndromez: got disconnected Loan fragged MSC|IMKICKASS the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! [ELITE]00: your pushing it Jack.is Jack.is: No that was it new round starting... fight! Loan fragged MSC|IMKICKASS syndromez: oh lawl player syndromez switched to team CLA dmiangrcia fragged frogman [ELITE]00 fragged |PRO|sniperman |PRO|sniperman fragged [ELITE]00 |ELITE|01 fragged dmiangrcia |PRO|sniperman: lol Jack.is: He said "I got a better one" then kicked you because he's powerful and doesn't have to actually have any wit MSC|IMKICKASS: lawl? you got fragged by peidao aqi fragged |ELITE|01 the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! new round starting... fight! you got fragged by peidao [ELITE]00 headshotted dmiangrcia dmiangrcia fragged [ELITE]00 peidao fragged |ELITE|01 frogman fragged aqi |PRO|sniperman fragged syndromez |ELITE|01: just ban them' Loan fragged frogman peidao fragged MSC|IMKICKASS the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! syndromez: lol fail new round starting... fight! peidao fragged syndromez peidao fragged |ELITE|01 intermission: game has ended! "team one shot, one kill" on map ac_desert, 75.176.97.9:12345 nc| Server CAMPING ALLOWED frags deaths cn team name 24 28 0 CLA [ELITE]00 (admin) 21 13 4 RVSF dmiangrcia 21 14 3 CLA syndromez 19 1 8 RVSF peidao 13 28 2 CLA |ELITE|01 10 11 7 CLA Jack.is (you) 9 8 6 RVSF |PRO|sniperman 7 2 10 RVSF Loan 4 6 9 CLA frogman 2 5 11 CLA MSC|IMKICKASS 1 1 1 RVSF aqi Jack.is: Yes ban them, that's the way to be right, you're always right if there's no one else around Demo "10/12/10 22:04:22: team one shot, one kill, ac_desert, 549.53kB" recorded Press F10 to download it from the server.. read map packages/maps/official/ac_power.cgz rev 3 (43 milliseconds) Power Station - by wotwot loaded textures (524 milliseconds) loaded mapmodels (90 milliseconds) loaded mapsounds (451 milliseconds) game mode is "CTF" Capture the Flag: Steal the enemy flag and bring it to your home base. Don't let your own flag get stolen. time remaining: 12 minutes recording demo connected: MOCORONGO [ELITE]00 called a vote: load map ac_desert in mode TOSOK vote passed read map packages/maps/official/ac_desert.cgz rev 1 (38 milliseconds) Desert Village by Arghvark & makkE loaded textures (0 milliseconds) loaded mapmodels (0 milliseconds) loaded mapsounds (0 milliseconds) game mode is "TOSOK" Team One Shot, One Kill: Your team starts with 1hp, a sniper rifle, a knife and no pickups. Survive with your sniper, or humiliate with your swiss steel. time remaining: 15 minutes recording demo new round starting... fight! |ELITE|01: do it peidao fragged MSC|IMKICKASS you knifed |PRO|sniperman dmiangrcia fragged teammate aqi [ELITE]00 knifed dmiangrcia Loan fragged frogman you got fragged by teammate |ELITE|01 peidao knifed |ELITE|01 syndromez fragged Loan getting demo... MOCORONGO is now known as Goiano player Goiano switched to team CLA the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team CLA has won the round! writing to file: /home/jack/.assaultcube_v1.0/demos/TOSOK_ac_desert_2010.10.12_2204.dmo received demo "demos/TOSOK_ac_desert_2010.10.12_2204.dmo" new round starting... fight! dmiangrcia fragged frogman connected: cras peidao fragged [ELITE]00 Goiano fragged dmiangrcia |PRO|sniperman fragged |ELITE|01 syndromez fragged Loan syndromez fragged aqi player cras switched to team RVSF player dmiangrcia switched to team CLA syndromez fragged |PRO|sniperman time remaining: 14 minutes peidao fragged MSC|IMKICKASS peidao fragged syndromez player aqi disconnected MSC|IMKICKASS: hak? you got knifed by peidao Goiano fragged peidao the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team CLA has won the round! |ELITE|01 claimed admin status peidao: Nice shot MSC|IMKICKASS: or lag shot? new round starting... fight! connected: Rawn player Rawn switched to team CLA you got knifed by peidao cras fragged MSC|IMKICKASS |PRO|sniperman fragged teammate peidao Loan fragged [ELITE]00 dmiangrcia fragged cras Goiano knifed |PRO|sniperman Loan fragged Goiano dmiangrcia fragged Loan the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team CLA has won the round! [EDITSEL] is only allowed in edit mode syndromez: this server is too laggy new round starting... fight! player syndromez disconnected Loan headshotted Goiano ^ALoan fragged |ELITE|01 peidao fragged [ELITE]00 dmiangrcia headshotted peidao cras headshotted MSC|IMKICKASS Loan fragged frogman [ELITE]00 claimed admin status |PRO|sniperman fragged dmiangrcia cras fragged Rawn player frogman disconnected peidao: kick Goiano too lag you got fragged by Loan Rawn: uhh... xD the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team RVSF has won the round! Goiano: lol |PRO|sniperman fragged teammate Loan time remaining: 13 minutes new round starting... fight! peidao fragged [ELITE]00 MSC|IMKICKASS fragged peidao |PRO|sniperman fragged Goiano Goiano fragged |PRO|sniperman Loan fragged MSC|IMKICKASS you got fragged by cras Loan fragged Rawn dmiangrcia fragged cras peidao: dmiangrcia fck camper Rawn: shit i need my mousepad connected: Lua-BR player Lua-BR switched to team CLA connected: mexicodelic dmiangrcia fragged Loan the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team CLA has won the round! player mexicodelic switched to team RVSF peidao: dmiangrcia camper new round starting... fight! |PRO|sniperman: watch lanuage peidao fragged MSC|IMKICKASS Goiano fragged mexicodelic [ELITE]00: if your name is Jack.is you have ten seconds to leave or you will be banned peidao fragged |ELITE|01 Goiano fragged Loan peidao fragged Lua-BR cras headshotted [ELITE]00 |PRO|sniperman fragged Rawn Goiano fragged |PRO|sniperman connected: Gnomespice [ELITE]00: if your name is Jack.is you have ten seconds to leave or you will be banned peidao knifed dmiangrcia you fragged cras player Gnomespice switched to team RVSF mexicodelic: calmense... time remaining: 12 minutes player dmiangrcia switched to team RVSF Goiano fragged peidao peidao fragged Goiano [ELITE]00: if your name is Jack.is you have ten seconds to leave or you will be banned the round is over! next round in 5 seconds... team CLA has won the round! Gnomespice: ELITE? peidao: merda Rawn: lol new round starting... fight! Rawn: its been ten seconds Jack.is: That was already 10 seconds lololol |PRO|sniperman fragged Rawn peidao fragged MSC|IMKICKASS Loan fragged Goiano Gnomespice: did you take pro lag's advice to make this sever? Loan fragged teammate |PRO|sniperman peidao fragged teammate cras [ELITE]00 called a vote: ban player Jack.is, reason: bad language server network error, disconnecting (vote-banned from the server) ... disconnected read map packages/maps/official/ac_desert.cgz rev 1 (26 milliseconds) Desert Village by Arghvark & makkE loaded textures (0 milliseconds) loaded mapmodels (0 milliseconds) loaded mapsounds (0 milliseconds) game mode is "TOSOK" time remaining: 15 minutes new round starting... fight!

Demo from first game: https://uloadr.com/u/8fd.dmo
I'll get the second game demo in a bit when the ban wears off.
Second demo: https://uloadr.com/u/ur8.dmo

[Gibstick]

Brahma blacklisted is not the problem, the servers who blacklist him are :D

[Brahma]

I am not blacklisted... the ip I was using in that moment was inside a blacklisted range (probably 189.78/16).

Anyway, it is not only me. There are about 1000 other possible players in this same range being affected by one or two assholes.

[Blue_Pr!nt]

maybe somewhat of topic. i think i / BC will drop the 1.0 blacklist in 1103 and just use a nick list.

[Luc@s]

Yesterday I checked the server list from home (using some wireless there), and I found myself banned in half of the servers!!!!!!

It's different, you are Brazilian :o

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Yesterday I checked the server list from home (using some wireless there), and I found myself banned in half of the servers!!!!!!

It's different, you are Brazilian that's why :o

[V-Man]

I think a thread like this would be useful to alert other players (not the devs) about particular servers that one may wish to avoid due to issues like admin abuse. While the server probably won't get kicked off the MS, individual players may learn from the experience of others and use discretion in choosing a server to join.

As for blacklists, maybe they are a bit overused at the moment... But if I were to run a server, there are a few choice IP addresses I would definitely have blacklisted. Some people have consistently demonstrated a destructive intention, and simply don't deserve to play AC.

[Brahma]

Very true.

[spamma]

I know it's late, but I'll stick with V-Man's idea. I renamed the thread to 'Server alert thread' :)

[pwned]

What I want to say is:

1) The common blacklist is a bag of confusion, and do not include only cheaters (which were the reason for creating a blacklist tool). But it is community supported, so it is ok.

2) There is no server blacklist for the community. If the devs do not read this thread, it is useless. And the majority of the posts here will be "I got banned from server X... please, blacklist server X", so the devs will definitively not read this.

Now I'm concerned here Brahma. Why on earth would you be banned from all these servers?

Because the ip which I was connecting is in the 1.0 blacklist?

a simple Account System would solve the problem...
then you can range ban them on the site if you have to.