AC_Douze is ruining things?

[ExodusS]

I would know what could be the reaction of everybody here if douze was released yesterday.

[V-Man]

"Hey man, nice map, but it's a bit too open, like ac_douze."

[GunZ|Maj.Hillis]

Im sure there are some people that have a problem with any maps that gets popular.

If whats popular gets banned then whats next? Removing guns? Quite alot of people like them as well :P

By that logic, all the official maps would suddenly stop being official.
Popularity isn't the problem, it's overpopularity leading to grinding repetition.
I never thought of AC as a grinding game until I ran into players who spam TOSOK ac_desert all effing day.
Doing that with ac_douze is no different.
Doing that with any other map would be no different.
The map itself isn't the problem.
The pervasive nature of grinding is the problem.
I wanna be like, "WTF guys, you don't even get any XP or gold from doing that! You're not going to level up! Go play Final Fantasy or something!"

No, they don't get anything from spamming maps/modes. They play the map because it's fun...and this is a video game...which you play to have fun. I'm sure those of you who dislike overplayed maps/modes can find some other servers to play on, eh?

[ExodusS]

"Hey man, nice map, but it's a bit too open, like ac_douze."

Then, with a better edit:

I would know what could be the reaction of everybody here if douze was released as official yesterday.

[V-Man]

They play the map because it's fun...and this is a video game...which you play to have fun.

Yes, it's fun for them to bully in a vote of the exact same map/mode over and over again, regardless of whose toes they step on to do that, and regardless of how long it takes those other people to find a server that isn't being raped by grinders. Who gives a f***k about how much fun anyone else is having, right?

I'm sure those of you who dislike overplayed maps/modes can find some other servers to play on, eh?

No.
Those who like overplayed maps/modes can find some other servers to play on. In fact, they always find all the other servers to play on.

Even if you find a normal server, the grinders eventually come to whatever server you happen to be in and rape the same map/mode all over again anyway. Most of my AC playing time lately has been spent attempting to find a server that doesn't have people doing this. Even if I find one, I play for a few minutes and then get out when more people accept than reject a vote for ctf ac_douze [blindly, I might add]. So your point is completely ignorant of what is actually happening out there.

[GunZ|Maj.Hillis]

Do remember, votes take more then one person to pass. If everyone out there bloody hated certain maps, they would never pass. If they do pass it's because the majority of people like that map or mode. Yes, some people just do it to be a dick, but not everyone does...

[V-Man]

I'm not saying people are trying to be rude, but the fact remains that people are getting stepped on in others' pursuit of "fun."

If they do pass it's because the majority of people like that map or mode.

I refute that, in light of the fact that legions of people hit F1 without knowing that a vote is going on (or, if they do, what it's about). All they see is "free porn!"

[GunZ|Maj.Hillis]

Well considering how overplayed the map is, I doubt everyone hitting F1 is an unaware noob. However, in plenty of cases that is the problem, and one that any FPS with a voting system will face. Like you said, the problem isn't the map. I just wish some would quit trying to change or even ban some maps and perhaps try to improve the voting system, although I doubt this problem will ever be solved.

[Mr.Floppy]

As a matter of fact, there's isn't much that can be done about the voting system. Majority beats minority. That's it basically. I actually did use to believe you couldn't even vote in a map twice in a row. At least since the last issue or so.

Obviously I was wrong about that. Maybe it only applied to the maprot and not even sure about that anymore.

However, if there will be stricter vote regulations enforced, people will just compile their servers leaving out this bit of code, as it doesn't go conform with their god given right to do as they fu**** please.

If I was a cynic, I'd come to the conclusion democrazy doesn't work...

[ExodusS]

If I was a cynic, I'd come to the conclusion democrazy doesn't work...

Democracy isn't made with -13 years old people. ;)

[Mr.Floppy]

Hehe, right Exoduss. You made my day! :P

[ExodusS]

ExodusS president! :D

[MerCyKiL]

on topic...Myke has a point. Douze is grossly overplayed. However, i do think it attracts more gamers to the AC community, which imo, is what AC needs right now. It's also where future pros start playing. I'm sure all pros who started AC played a lot of noob maps at the time.

Anyways, I was sort of fooling around with the map in edit mode yesterday and thought that if I made it a little less open, put in more rooms, and raised the ditch by a tad, people might like it more. Maybe if someone (me or anyone else) comes up with a better version it could be replace old douze in the next AC version? F1 or F2 for replacement?

[Ronald_Reagan]

it wont work, a replacement was made, but it got rejected by the maker.

[MerCyKiL]

NOOOO...we're screwed

[Undead]

limit ac_douze to 4-8 player maximum, or remove the flag spawns, or both, raising the standard of public games in AC. why is everyone so hesitant to do this when decisions like these have been done several times in the past. you really shouldn't modify ac_douze too much in itself or remove it because it is an excellent 1vs1 map. you're modifying a map so it doesn't suit its original purpose when the problem can be solved in other ways.

if perhaps the community is now suddenly against stopping people from playing/creating whatever they want, instead of letting progress stagnate, maybe we should push for more relaxed restrictions on maps?

[jAcKRoCk*]

^^^^this

[Nightmare]

Or increase map restrictions and laugh at douze when it fails and gets cut from the line-up. :3

then everyone will be all
CTF KELLER
and ac will be saved.

[X-Ray_Dog]

._.

[Nightmare]

Half of those aren't CTF, so taking flags out doesn't even save people from douzebags. Extermination is the way to go. :3
people can still play it if it's not official, it'll just be down there near ac_spiderman.

http://f.static.memegenerator.net/cache/...753414.jpg

[CharlyMurphie]

douzebags.

http://f.static.memegenerator.net/cache/...753414.jpg

LOfrigginL

I dont dislike the map cause it never comes up in the laddered matches.(thank god) I use it for warm-ups sometimes. AC wouldnt B} AC without it :) j/k

[MykeGregory]

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[CharlyMurphie]

= TeH best one :p\Gema only

[Dynamite]

If some people want to play douze, I am fine with that. No need to raise restrictions or anything. I just won't be playing with them. :)

[Mystered]

Halo, I asked you for a version with only the item changes like you had intended them, but you never got back to me.
I am aware that the map is bs for CTF.. removing the flags would be an option.

No thanks :




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[VenteX]

So... Er... You think ac_douze should keep its flags because you get good scores on ac_douze CTF?

Seems legit.

[Stranz]

an excuse to show off more like.

[Lantry]

Good god, why are we still on this thread? We already found the answer.

remove the flag spawns

[Nightmare]

Good god, why are we still on this thread? We already found the answer.

remove douze and Ar

[Mystered]

Douze is is good how it is now