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...why do all these map-related threads all come back to the same old "remove douze" argument?
We aren't talking about map removal here, we're talking about how the servers can be regulated.
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(27 Jan 13, 08:22PM)Sanzo Wrote: remove douze
i don't see why douze should be removed (it's a good FFA map). Do you want ac_desert to be overplayed instead (as it used to be in the past) ? Maybe you'll ask ac_desert to be removed then ?
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flags have been removed from douze for those who don't know. @SVN
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(27 Jan 13, 08:22PM)Sanzo Wrote: remove douze
Sanzo for dev!
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douze is fine for ctf, it is played in matches too... the only mode really bad for douze is tosok
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^KTF douze isn't awful either :x
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As for the 'don't take players maps away from them', no one would be taking anything away from anyone. Just that the amount of overplayed maps would be regulated and making them less overplayed, making room for other maps and modes, also introducing the great variety that AC devs have worked hard for to newer cube players. I didn't mean banhammering the shit out of douze like was done to dedust and ezjemville. All I'm really saying that, at least on my timezone, it's hard for me to find a fun pub to play. And if I do, it usually gets voted to douze or shine after a game or two.
I was really just going for a shitstorm caused by butthurt douze players vrs. butthurt depot players but all I got was lame constructive conversation and good arguments.
AC forums I am dissapoint.
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There will always be a favourite map among the community, but i want variety god damn it. Pubs died a long time ago, the problem is that everyone was on HI SKILL it was THE ladder, once that got taken away people didn't have that go to server to congregate in, thus the in-game community slowly dwindled and stagnated. what ever happened to a thing called a set maprot? I remember when it was a rare occasion that a map was actually voted for in public play. If douze was removed from the next version would there be community outrage?, me thinks not.
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@PolarHedgehog
(28 Jan 13, 03:14PM)PolarHedgehog Wrote: As for the 'don't take players maps away from them', no one would be taking anything away from anyone.
Yes you will take away from me the ability to choose the server where I wanna play douze! You also will take away from me the ability to play this map.
When my ping is too high : I don't join
When I am blacklisted (on screw dunno why) : I cant join
When noobs ban me (mainly for hack...) : I cant join
When servers are full : I don't join
There are many other reasons not concerning me but I decided not to quote them all.
(28 Jan 13, 03:14PM)PolarHedgehog Wrote: Just that the amount of overplayed maps would be regulated and making them less overplayed, making room for other maps and modes,
I don't know about yours but in my serverlist, 3/4 of the servers are empty. If you cant find a room to play other maps and modes you must be really new here. Just scroll with your mouse or with arrow to find empty servers.
(28 Jan 13, 03:14PM)PolarHedgehog Wrote: I didn't mean banhammering the shit out of douze like was done to dedust and ezjemville. All I'm really saying that, at least on my timezone, it's hard for me to find a fun pub to play. And if I do, it usually gets voted to douze or shine after a game or two.
Do you know what I understand when I read you?
"Help me guys, I am playing AC but most of people in my timezone enjoy playing douze and shine. I want you to ban douze, shine and all other maps I hate to force people to play with me. I am a forum user and I come here to cry. I am the noisy minority so you should listen to me! I am right and the huge majority enjoying douze is wrong".
The problem is not about douze being overplayed. It is about other maps not being played.
@Nightmare, Vermi
(27 Jan 13, 08:55PM)Nightmare Wrote: flags have been removed from douze for those who don't know. @SVN
Noooooo :( That was my favorite map in CTF as many many many many many other people. You cant imagine how it makes me sad. Srsly how can they do that? Sure you know better than everyone how this game should be played. Solong suckers!!
(28 Jan 13, 03:35PM)Vermi Wrote: If douze was removed from the next version would there be community outrage?, me thinks not.
So if I am correct here are the facts according to you :
Pubs died. This game is dying. The main played map in pubs is douze.
And your solution is to remove douze?
Perfect logic ! We have a winner here! :genius:
Wait maybe you just wanna join dev team? Keep thinking like that you will make it soon !
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(29 Jan 13, 09:14PM)Edward Wrote: -insert unnecessarily long rant here-
The development process of any project, open source or not, is going to involve a lot of change. Of course, theres always going to be a few conservatives that cannot understand that and have to whine about it endlessly on the forums...Sorry that we were unable to please you edward, maybe next time. ;)
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I probably save a version douze with flags, call it "ac_douze_classic" and will sendmap to all servers in 1.2 (and spam-vote ofc) lol
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Wow...
(27 Jan 13, 10:08AM)Lantry Wrote: tl;dr: It's the dev's job to make the game, it's the players job to decide if the game is good or not.
If the people want to play douze, they will play douze. If you add a restriction so that they cannot play douze, they will not play douze, but a new map will emerge as 'overplayed'. Restricting how many servers can run a map at a time is a ridiculously heavy-handed way of forcing the community to adapt the shape that you think is 'proper'. Just because you somehow convinced yourself that map restrictions will solve bad maps, you think that restricting the choices of the community is a good way to influence their behavior. It isn't. It is unnatural and ultimately annoying and will not attract anyone to this game. Yes, "It's the dev's game", but at the same time you cannot have a game without players. You must cater to the players to a certain extent or you will end up with an online ghost town. It's the dev's job to make the game, it's the players job to decide if the game is good or not.
1. a non-dev-community-member requests some restriction
2. several non-dev-community-members agree
3. those actual devs replying pretty much refuse the request, despite their personal preferences
I'm starting to wonder how much the-community-communities can exist at one time.
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29 Jan 13, 10:17PM
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(29 Jan 13, 10:14PM)soldado Wrote: I probably save a version douze with flags, call it "ac_douze_classic" and will sendmap to all servers in 1.2 (and spam-vote ofc) lol
And you can be the first CBL for 1.2 :)
Edit: CBL = central blacklist
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29 Jan 13, 10:19PM
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epic. but no problem :D
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29 Jan 13, 10:32PM
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Slightly off topic but while it's about maps & stuff. Exoduss's post from proving grounds that shows official maps going against the dev's own documents/ideals.
(17 Dec 12, 06:15PM).ExodusS* Wrote: There is many missunderstanding in this thread, now it's too much.
I can understand very well that if one (or many) of your map are proudly in the official package, you must feel pain if someone ask devs to remove it, it's an obvious feel... But sometimes you must understand, if we ask devs to remove a map, it's not to take you down, we have some solids arguments.
This forum is to speak, but it's different to the public one, we are here to speak about what we really think, if we say we love all official maps and if we say devs always make the right choice, what is the point of this "Proving Ground"?
What I just want to say here is that many official maps are not even respecting the "What we're looking for..." in the Docs (on this forum) and I don't even dare to speak about the poll.
Quote:The theme should be in a realistic setting...
ac_douze
Quote:There must be more than one way to rush from the one place to the other
ac_stellar
Quote:Desired average WQD levels are: 2000-3000.
ABSOLUTE maximum WQD levels are: 5000.
ac_industrial
ac_rattrap
Quote:Avoid strange gimmicks, such as walk-through doors, as "strange" gimmicks will definitely not be accepted.
ac_toxic
ac_elevation
Change the rules or change the official pack but please, don't contrary yourself, it's confusing everyone.
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29 Jan 13, 10:41PM
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Stellar has more than 1 route, dunno what Exoduss is going on about.
And large WQD's are acceptable in small/minor areas of a map.
What makes you guys think removing douze (or any other map) from the official package is going to help? Douze is here to stay, official or not.
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29 Jan 13, 11:05PM
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Some of the new mapmodels for those who haven't seen yet as well.
http://i.imgur.com/PFHstrN.jpg
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Removing Douze doesn't even make sense. A better idea would be the ability to use the mouse to select servers and a scrollbar that let's you scroll using your mouse through the server list.
It's not that difficult to implement, I THINK...
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(29 Jan 13, 11:41PM)Lee Wrote: a scrollbar that let's you scroll using your mouse through the server list. Scroll wheel is too mainstream?
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(29 Jan 13, 11:41PM)Lee Wrote: It's not that difficult to implement, I THINK...
Well come on then, AC Source Modder.
Implement it and show it to the devs and you might get your idea put into the game.
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(29 Jan 13, 11:54PM)#M|A#Wolf Wrote: (29 Jan 13, 11:41PM)Lee Wrote: a scrollbar that let's you scroll using your mouse through the server list. Scroll wheel is too mainstream?
I don't understand how it's mainstream?
(30 Jan 13, 12:48AM)Frogulis Wrote: (29 Jan 13, 11:41PM)Lee Wrote: It's not that difficult to implement, I THINK...
Well come on then, AC Source Modder.
Implement it and show it to the devs and you might get your idea put into the game.
I will do my best =)
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30 Jan 13, 02:40PM
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@Edward I'm not really in the mood to start arguing, and even though this is pointless, I'm so irritated by your post so yeah.
(29 Jan 13, 09:14PM)Edward Wrote: I don't know about yours but in my serverlist, 3/4 of the servers are empty. If you cant find a room to play other maps and modes you must be really new here. Just scroll with your mouse or with arrow to find empty servers.
What. That made absolutely no sense. You know, if 3/4 servers are empty, it actually means that there simply aren't enough players to occupy more than 1/4 servers online. Come on now.
Edward Wrote:The problem is not about douze being overplayed. It is about other maps not being played. Again, what? It's a vicious circle, the two problems cause each other. Blantly stating that 'douze is played because all the other maps are shit' is just stupid and false.
Edward Wrote:"Help me guys, I am playing AC but most of people in my timezone enjoy playing douze and shine. I want you to ban douze, shine and all other maps I hate to force people to play with me. I am a forum user and I come here to cry. I am the noisy minority so you should listen to me! I am right and the huge majority enjoying douze is wrong". Noisy minority? Coming here to cry? 'I am right'? Please listen to yourself first.
Also for the 'you must be new here'? I won't even comment on that.
In a nutshell: Yes, I am crying about that douze is shit and takes a lot away from the game.
Mods close this thread please.
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30 Jan 13, 03:51PM
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@PolarHedgehog inb4 the lock (30 Jan 13, 02:40PM)PolarHedgehog Wrote: I'm not really in the mood to start arguing, and even though this is pointless, I'm so irritated by your post so yeah.
Well it is not pointless. Maybe I have been a bit unnecessary offensive and I apologize. I was kinda mad because of ...
(30 Jan 13, 02:40PM)PolarHedgehog Wrote: What. That made absolutely no sense. You know, if 3/4 servers are empty, it actually means that there simply aren't enough players to occupy more than 1/4 servers online. Come on now.
Though you were asking for rooms to play other maps than douze? I answered you saying that there were already enough rooms to play in.
It seems that your problem is the lack of players. I cant help you for that but I don't think regulating (removing) the most played map will help :p
(30 Jan 13, 02:40PM)PolarHedgehog Wrote: Again, what? It's a vicious circle, the two problems cause each other. Blantly stating that 'douze is played because all the other maps are shit' is just stupid and false.
I never said that douze was played because other maps are shits and that's not my opinion !
But we are all big boys/girls. We are free to choose the map we wanna play. If people wanted to play any other map instead of douze and shine don't you think they would? If they are able to find a server running douze they are able to find a server running any other map. They just don't want to and it is their choice, not yours.
So again, the problem is not about douze. Some people play it and that's what maps/servers and AC are for : allow people to have fun playing maps with other people.
Forcing douze player to play other maps is not the good solution IMO.
And obviously, if there is too many douze players, then they are the majority and other guys are the minority :p
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30 Jan 13, 10:42PM
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ac_desert > ac_douze
I didn't see the issue on the 1.0, the game had also some headshot city, ezjemvill etc.. map restriction made the issue even more important, cause noobs can now only vote ac_douze and noob@noob maps, and on the next release, it will be only douze cause the map restrictions are fixed.
I really don't want to speak about the majority/minority argument, just because it's bullshit, the majority is playing ac_douze so they are right because they don't know AC?
(27 Jan 13, 07:27PM)Edward Wrote: (27 Jan 13, 08:14AM)#M|A#Wolf Wrote: Players would need to realize that douze's gameplay isn't the way the game should be played, and we all know that is never going to happen :)
tell us more about how this game should be played...
The game had some projects, ac_douze overplayed was not in the list.
Now let me say the longest pff about your post.
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OMG What people want and will play. These maps do not fuck brain - so they popular. Guys who play in the funmaps just enjoy the game. Do not like it - do not play on them. And stfu with ur fucking map restrictions, they need to be removed.
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Could this be fixed by not allowing to vote the same map that was played in the previous game?
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(30 Jan 13, 11:29PM)soldado Wrote: OMG What people want and will play. These maps do not fuck brain - so they popular. Guys who play in the funmaps just enjoy the game. Do not like it - do not play on them. And stfu with ur fucking map restrictions, they need to be removed.
And this is why people don't listen to you.
1) Get a new fucking translator.
2) Give the people who know what their talking about some respect. Don't just come in here like your top shit and tell people what they need to do.
3) Leave
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Indeed the "map removal" is not a good solution.
As Cleaner mentioned the best thing that could be done is that the server owners realise the "problem" going on, they are the one that can change something.
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Nuts, the server owners just see it as making their servers popular and they want that.
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