Jason grieffing ac_desert3.

[ExodusS]

Discuss...

[Mai Mee Tur]

Interesting... I don't believe guns have wallbang, unless this is a glitch.

If it's a legit wallhack, then, to the blacklist he goes

[Z-karIuS]

That player is clearly shooting thru the box.

[gambino]

That player is clearly shooting thru the box.

I agree.

[Xenon]

trololo, want me to do it? It's an easy glitch. if you watch with the HUD weapon up you will lawl.

edit: Griefing.

[Mael]

Reproduce it and show us.

[#M|A#Wolf]

Well, I just tried that and it didn't work. Maybe I'm doing it wrong but I really doubt that's a glitch, looks like some kind of wall hack to me.

[ExodusS]

if you watch with the HUD weapon up you will lawl.

Lawl, shut up.

[Jason]

Watch the demo, watch pj's, watch it from other perspectives. Don't watch a YT video and make a comment. That's all I ask for. I'm not going to start defending myself, I don't really know what's happened there, or how it happened. But just hang in there. I'm looking for an explanation, and have been discussing it with a lot of people in private.

EDIT: http://www.mediafire.com/?yh5c6sr887t3425 - demo there, look at around 10mins remaining on wards to get a bearing on the situation.

[Benson]

When I first saw this Youtube Video, I thought of hack too.
But then I checked the demo: At the point when Jason crouches behind the box, Pjs spike to 400-500/LAG.

And if you watch that scene from another POV (ghosting on the point where the RVSF-flag is), you see Jason standing up! (really strange!)

So I think it's lag-based. (Though I'm not a pro at checking demo's)

[Roflcopter]

So I think it's lag-based. (Though I'm not a pro at checking demo's)

Indeed, I'm fairly sure it's not a hack but just some odd effects of lag. I've seen similar things where the camera is slightly too high when walking through tunnels where you need to crouch (such as in ac_aqueous).

What's more concerning is that he plays with the alias WrA.holocaust.

[Jason]

Indeed, I'm fairly sure it's not a hack but just some odd effects of lag. I've seen similar things where the camera is slightly too high when walking through tunnels where you need to crouch (such as in ac_aqueous).

What's more concerning is that he plays with the alias WrA.holocaust.

I also assumed lag when I first watched it, I will also mention my connection was spiking throughout the whole game.

offtopic reply:

Holocaust is a yiddish/hebrew word for destruction or aftermath.
Of course, it was then demonized after certain events, in a similar way to the swastika, I mean I can probably just use another synonym. But this is all off-topic either way.

[X-Ray_Dog]

Lemme summarize AC cheating detection:

If you wall hack and its not really that obvious but contains a lot of controversy with a lot of people leaning towards no cheating, then well, it is cheating.

If in one case the cheating could not possibly be more obvious, its not cheating.

Psychology is really biting me in the ass.

Anyways, my honest opinion decides that this was not a cheat and I do not accuse him of it. I made a funny? Remember to take your daily dose of LAG. Side effects may include, but are not limited to: Random death, Server generated paths with hitting bullets actually counting, Shooting through solid objects, Speed hacking (Transporting), And many more!

[Foo]

most models have glitched hit detection anyway IMO

in no way is this conclusive evidence

[Nightmare]

* Nightmare puts on Good Cop uniform.
I have a video of a demo or two that shows my sniper trail go through a wall and keep going for the HS(right near the top of the wall) during jumpshots. Even though in-game the barrel of the gun was clearly above the wall. So I know demos can make hax appear ;)

Never seen anything go through that low on a wall/etc. though. Middle of the box with your wallhax there...but yeah blame the lag ftw. <3

* Nightmare puts on Bad Cop uniform.
Of course, you talk about winning a lot, so some may think you'd throw $$$ for super internet connection and wouldn't lag like that. Meaning...HAX :D
xD

[pweaks]

The name would be maybe enough for a ban but wall hacking, no; it's lag clearly.

[Jason]

The name would be maybe enough for a ban but wall hacking, no; it's lag clearly.

I can understand if I used it in public, but it's a private server, lighten up a bit ;D

[ExodusS]

Everyone can have a remote-lag (i'll not say how), and a lot of things can be explain by lag (wall-hack, ofc speed-hack and even aim-bot (not in THIS case)).
So it's a big fail.
Ofc this post doesn't accuse Jason, it's a general idea.

[Xenon]

Exoduss, you wanted to blacklist him, you were attacking him.

[MusicMan10]

//Ban Reason: Wall-hack?

if you have to put a question mark in the ban reason, you shouldn't blacklist.

[Benson]

Point is, he didnt even know how to call the hack, he thought of.
And the title of his youtube vids are really made for objective discussions.

[Xenon]

Point is, he didnt even know how to call the hack, he thought of.
And the title of his youtube vids are really made for objective discussions.

So true.

[Jason]

ExodusS*.

c u @ lan.

haterz gonna hate.

[ExodusS]

lan? i'll not move away from my chair to see someone like you.

[Jason]

keep hatin. i'll keep rollin baby.

[Sepehr]

Jason is 1337 and innocent. End of discussion.

[Z-karIuS]

I'd like to hear the opinion of an expert, hope there's a way to control the "LAG" on the next release.

[Mai Mee Tur]

Well, if we need the opinion of an expert.

Where's jamz?

[Xenon]

OFFTOPIC: ooooooooooo jamz, where are thou?

Jason is 1337 and innocent. End of discussion.

and beyond.