And another...

[bballn45]

banning guns is stupid, what are we gonna do when the zombies come then?

[MerCyKiL]

I forgot you are always right...

[IMG].[/IMG]

honestly dude you shouldnt be talking lol

[Boomhauer]

Not trying to start a flamewar here Boom, I'm just providing counter-arguments to your points.

Btw, still think that picture is excellent.

LOL, I know. Just messing with ya. ;-)

And thanks, lol... I love GIMP

[Waffles]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/health...jywryR5zgQ

http://www.xojane.com/issues/for-the-las...al-illness

[Nightmare]

I like how if he had a large carbine, he would have been spotted halfway to the school and cop raped.

[pineapple]

Banning guns is a ridiculous idea. Having limits to how many you can own and limits on high powered shit is the best idea. No civilian needs an assault rifle. Seriously. Gonna go apeshit on that deer? If someone comes into my house, I will use my solitary 9mm handgun stashed in my bedroom. It never leaves my house.

My heart obviously goes out to the victims/family.

A brutal assraping followed by eternally repeated viewings of 1 star netflix movies should have awaited this moron.

[D3M0NW0LF]

Apparently he's "a bit" autistic or something.

That has nothing to do with what he's done... He made the choice to do it, his mental state has NOTHING... NOTHING to do with it. They're only using that as an excuse to make it not "look so bad" for him.

[Orynge]

I wasn't saying it was. IIRC, someone asked if he had a mental problem.

[D3M0NW0LF]

Oh ok, then I mistook it. Sorry about that. ^^;

[YourSister]

in italy we dont have guns. Burglars know it, so they dont need them as well because they know you don't have them.
They usually break in using knifes or clubs and thats why if you react they usually run away.
Love murders usually are performed with knives here, and the "mad" murders as well, except a recent case, where a child was put in the washing machine...

actually is quite impossible to perform a slaughter, only hunters got guns, and the few murders that happen are by accident in the forest

[Xenon]

+1 to sister
Very similiar.

[Felix-The-Ghost]

I like how if he had a large carbine, he would have been spotted halfway to the school and cop raped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdRE-CuBms4

[ExodusS]

27 people dead, including 20 children, in CT school shooting

Stats are here, whoever defending the free-guns in USA is also supporting people who kill kids with it.
It looks like you want to "defend yourself" at home but you don't give a shit on what happen outside it.
Fuck you.

[#M|A#Wolf]

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-town-allows-...17416.html
Yep, protect yourselves by making everyone have guns. Fantastic.

[ExodusS]

Yep, protect yourselves by making everyone have guns. Fantastic.

Like that, disturbed people just have to steal school's guns instead of buying one.

[Nightmare]

Standard Republican response to truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqs9DYisSsg

[Waffles]

it's not even a partisan issue, or shouldn't be.

claiming that advocating gun rights condemns people is also seriously flawed logic.

with proper maintenance and control it can all be fine. Nobody says it is perfect, but to a certain degree it is protecting a constitutional right. Larry pointed out it seems to be a libertarian idea for little gain and a lot of loss and I do agree with him, however the answer is certainly not berating anybody who thinks differently.

Some of my music education friends responded with (loosely paraphrased) "i may not like guns, or want them anywhere near schools, but education seems to be the issue to not letting anybody slip through the cracks." Maybe guns are the tools of atrocities (well fuck it, they certainly are) but that doesn't imply a ban on all tools. A man does not lose a finger to a saw and then ban everyone from using a saw. Very awful loose metaphor that doesn't come close to highlighting the graphic terribleness of the gun situation, but it is a similar argument.

Also an interesting point a lawyer friend made that I'd like many americans to consider (and others), is why death and destruction in the context of war is not treated the same way as a school massacre. Many more women, children, and men have died in war, but I have yet to hear anybody here advocate the banning use of guns/drones/whatever by the military. Obviously there are anti-war sentiments, but then there is the issue of standing armies being armed.

What are your thoughts? I am just pointing out conflicting information, I myself would love to see the banning of guns for terrible purpose, but I believe people have a right to defend, hunt, and amuse themselves. Being a farm boy at heart, ive seen guns used in all three situations quite safely, but I also recognize there is much issue. Just food for thought.

[Edward]

I think we should show more respect to people defending the right to wear a gun. It must be fucking hard to say insane things at tv and to look serious at the same time !!

gogogogo post an essay about guns and how it is the best way to protect yourself. Hearing/reading that is always my favourite part after a killing :(

[InitialSAW]

Welp, at least this thread is going to change things. I'm sure it'll all be worth the struggle in the end.

[Oracle]

Welp, at least this thread is going to change things. I'm sure it'll all be worth the struggle in the end.

*sigh*

I didn't post this thread to try to change things - you should know I'm not that naïve, VenteX. It brings out a good discussion though, and isn't that what forums are for?

[Orynge]

Wait, iSAW = VenteX? O_o

[Oracle]

^Lol, this has been covered before. Yes.

[RCJD]

I'm surprised two things were not brought up so far in this discussion:
1) The horrifying series of massacres in the United States recently:
-Aurora (movie theatre), 2012
-Wisconsin (Sikh Temple), 2012
-Oregon (mall), 2012
-Newtown (elementary school), 2012

2) Comparison of this massacre with an attack at an elementary school in China on the same day, just hours before Newtown.
-In summary: 28 deaths at Newtown; 23 injuries 0 deaths in Henan
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/12/15-0
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/17/the_chin..._survived/
http://www.voanews.com/content/china-us-...67029.html

There will be these kind of killers all around the world - mentally-ill or not.
Yes, maybe some places have a higher concentration of them, but every nation will have some disturbed individuals.

The question is, do these killers in society have access to mass murder weapons or not?
Obviously, a knife vs. automatic guns ==> completely different levels of fatality.

The most dangerous weapon the man in China could get his hands on was a knife.
The man in the States? A hell lotta ammo and multiple guns, including an assault rifle.

[MorganKell]

That is because Man in China was not practiced Ninja. Man in China can meal-ticket his Commie ass to an early toilet fest for all Man in States gives a shit.

[InitialSAW]

I only made my post for the people that are getting high-strung about it, ShadowZ. Nothing wrong with the thread otherwise.

[Nightmare]

My state this time. :[
Guy sets fire, camps, then shoots firefighters who arrive to put out the fire.
Assault Rifle again. -.-

[InitialSAW]

Yep.

[Luc@s]

[Waffles]

I DO support the banning of french cheeses, god forbid this country gets fat.

[Marti]

I DO support the banning of french cheeses, god forbid this country gets fat.

how about McDonalds 'nd stuff?

oh wait, that doesn't make you fat