30 Aug 10, 09:59PM
“if you can offer your valuable help by reporting new cheaters, dont hold yourself ;)”
Well Kirin, therein lies the problem, or a number of problems in fact.
I and many others have in the past reported cheaters, you being one of those being not only reported, but proven, yet here you are, on the forums and on the servers once again; makes it sort of pointless in a great many players eyes I suggest.
Then there is the matter of proof. Given the current method of proof is Brahma’s statistical analysis which as I understand it is incorporated into the game now, if it doesn’t detect the cheats in game and auto kick them then the probability of examining a demo using that same system and reaching a different conclusion seems remote.
Then of course you have to consider that if sufficient evidence/opinion is gathered to at least suggest that the probability of a player cheating is high enough to warrant banning them, then where does that leave the anti cheat system? It would seem in the above case that if the anti cheats systems effectiveness then gets called into question and judging by the current climate of banning dissenters or those who cannot offer “constructive solutions” rather than “constructive criticism” anyone who questions the status quo is likely to get dismissed as a trouble making troll or banned from the forums.
Interestingly the two self advertised cheats I saw are not in the post you link to and a number of other suspect players which I believe at least some of the devs are aware of aren’t either. However, it may be true that the self advertised cheats I saw were playing on recompiled servers; I didn’t check, I just left the game.
Unfortunately, its not the more obvious cheats that are the problem, they never have been, it’s the “discrete” cheats who use the cheats to gain a small advantage in game that are the most damaging imo and it’s these the system is unable to detect it seems.
There are those who suggest that by not publicly acknowledging that cheating is an issue the problem will somehow disappear, or at least drop out of the average player’s attention and be left to be considered and discussed by a select few on a private forum.
My opinion and the opinion of a great many who have experienced this kind of “private justice” is to associate it with some of the more distasteful regimes in power.
Now I’m not in any way dismissing the enormous amount of work Brahma has put into his system or saying that it isn’t effective for a great many cheats, but, like any system, it isn’t perfect and some way of addressing the imperfections should be considered and considered publically.
Well Kirin, therein lies the problem, or a number of problems in fact.
I and many others have in the past reported cheaters, you being one of those being not only reported, but proven, yet here you are, on the forums and on the servers once again; makes it sort of pointless in a great many players eyes I suggest.
Then there is the matter of proof. Given the current method of proof is Brahma’s statistical analysis which as I understand it is incorporated into the game now, if it doesn’t detect the cheats in game and auto kick them then the probability of examining a demo using that same system and reaching a different conclusion seems remote.
Then of course you have to consider that if sufficient evidence/opinion is gathered to at least suggest that the probability of a player cheating is high enough to warrant banning them, then where does that leave the anti cheat system? It would seem in the above case that if the anti cheats systems effectiveness then gets called into question and judging by the current climate of banning dissenters or those who cannot offer “constructive solutions” rather than “constructive criticism” anyone who questions the status quo is likely to get dismissed as a trouble making troll or banned from the forums.
Interestingly the two self advertised cheats I saw are not in the post you link to and a number of other suspect players which I believe at least some of the devs are aware of aren’t either. However, it may be true that the self advertised cheats I saw were playing on recompiled servers; I didn’t check, I just left the game.
Unfortunately, its not the more obvious cheats that are the problem, they never have been, it’s the “discrete” cheats who use the cheats to gain a small advantage in game that are the most damaging imo and it’s these the system is unable to detect it seems.
There are those who suggest that by not publicly acknowledging that cheating is an issue the problem will somehow disappear, or at least drop out of the average player’s attention and be left to be considered and discussed by a select few on a private forum.
My opinion and the opinion of a great many who have experienced this kind of “private justice” is to associate it with some of the more distasteful regimes in power.
Now I’m not in any way dismissing the enormous amount of work Brahma has put into his system or saying that it isn’t effective for a great many cheats, but, like any system, it isn’t perfect and some way of addressing the imperfections should be considered and considered publically.