27 Apr 11, 05:23AM
One of the big questions I have reading all this is: What "main blacklist" are you guys talking about? There is no such thing! People are free to post as they like in the blacklist thread, and server owners are free as they like to use that information. It just so happens that most server owners choose to use the TyD blacklist.
If by "main blacklist" you mean the CBL, then I think that an AC Clan Council would be a bad idea. Most of the entries on there (all of them, afaik, except for Undead) are well documented cases of cheaters. There really isn't much to discuss about it. Of course, in cases like Undead's, the clan council would have some meaningful discussion, but ultimately they would just blacklist (or not blacklist) players based on whether the majority of people liked them or not. And then we might find the council using the CBL as a threat against people they didn't like. To be entirely honest, I think the CBL is best in the hands of the devs only. Brahma consistently stood up to clans like w00p and oNe, not caring that they held a lot of clout, and demanded they removed the cheaters from their ranks. He was very impartial about it, and pretty unbiased, IMHO. Yes, he may have made some mistakes (potentially), but I have no reason to believe any of those decisions were political. People may disagree with me on this, but this was how I saw it (and as well, it was a clan leader who started the move to CBL Undead, not any of the devs).
As for the actual council:
Back when I was a mod, I suggested the AC Clan Council, but the idea was not very well supported. I still think that it would be a good idea, however, I don't think that (for the moment) the council should be given any actual authority to do anything. Rather, it should be a place where a few representatives of the community can communicate more directly with the devs. Perhaps the council could be given some responsibility as time goes on. Membership in the council should be simple: if your clan has existed for at least a year and held at least 5 active members for most of that time, you get a seat.
My 2 cents.
If by "main blacklist" you mean the CBL, then I think that an AC Clan Council would be a bad idea. Most of the entries on there (all of them, afaik, except for Undead) are well documented cases of cheaters. There really isn't much to discuss about it. Of course, in cases like Undead's, the clan council would have some meaningful discussion, but ultimately they would just blacklist (or not blacklist) players based on whether the majority of people liked them or not. And then we might find the council using the CBL as a threat against people they didn't like. To be entirely honest, I think the CBL is best in the hands of the devs only. Brahma consistently stood up to clans like w00p and oNe, not caring that they held a lot of clout, and demanded they removed the cheaters from their ranks. He was very impartial about it, and pretty unbiased, IMHO. Yes, he may have made some mistakes (potentially), but I have no reason to believe any of those decisions were political. People may disagree with me on this, but this was how I saw it (and as well, it was a clan leader who started the move to CBL Undead, not any of the devs).
As for the actual council:
Back when I was a mod, I suggested the AC Clan Council, but the idea was not very well supported. I still think that it would be a good idea, however, I don't think that (for the moment) the council should be given any actual authority to do anything. Rather, it should be a place where a few representatives of the community can communicate more directly with the devs. Perhaps the council could be given some responsibility as time goes on. Membership in the council should be simple: if your clan has existed for at least a year and held at least 5 active members for most of that time, you get a seat.
My 2 cents.