About current politics owners servers and developers

[|BME|m@C]

40 000 unarmed ;) most of the game under different nicks, by changing them constantly, the other part goes with the case and the rest is no lifers and ladderwhore this is true, and do not tell me that your servers have the popularity

I looked on the link and saw who connected with from among the 40 clans now plays 12 do not mix what was and is now

but I came here not to talk about the popularity servers of the great god

back to topic i say many others not only of your ladder

[tipper|DES|]

I don’t understand this, ref BME.
If the servers are crap and full of unarmeds, why on earth would you want to play on them?
And, if you don’t want to play on them why are you complaining?
Also, why are you banned on them which I assume is the problem?

[Mati]

So the other 40 000 registered nicknames on the ladder is just an illusion to you?

Exactly nicknames .. One person can have 1000 nicknames .. and on this ladder are players which are on your blacklist (so can't play on your servers:])For exemple me, m@c and lots other .. on this ladder are players from banned clan like TaS_ Legacy |BME| and other .. (Until recently was there oNe and w00p).
You should refresh it and remove Banned clans and players ..

pwnage If you are here ..I have some questions for you ..

1.Sepehr and P@nicow they were removed from your blacklist if they are clean is ok ... but i don't think so ... I know your blacklist your servers and you can doing what you want ..
But say me i'm worse than sepeher and panicow ? if yes ? why ? because i'm from Poland ? or what ? (I don't know you and i won't calling you racialist or something like that ..) but i want know where is the problem .

2.Why the most popular cheater waag* from uRs clan is still free ?

[|BME|m@C]

I don’t understand this, ref BME.
If the servers are crap and full of unarmeds, why on earth would you want to play on them?
And, if you don’t want to play on them why are you complaining?
Also, why are you banned on them which I assume is the problem?

I dt speak only of TyD servers


Mati u lost dR, GrZ and many others

[tipper|DES|]

Suppose we had a central blacklist, I think it’s fairly safe to assume that those reported for cheating would be placed on this blacklist by whichever devs were responsible for its upkeep. This is after all where most of the responsible server owners gather their data; the blacklist. Basically, in such a case, if you’re on the blacklist report for cheating one assumes you would also be on the central list; or if it didn’t exist, on whichever alternative list proved most popular; either way you’re banned

Part of the complaint seems to be that TyD are being “political” in their choice of who to list and who not to. Lets bear in mind that during the change from 1.1 to more recent issues (correct me if I’m wrong) a political decision was taken to wipe all but the very worst offenders from the master server block and a great many individual server owners followed suit; a grave error in my opinion.

It seems to me that given the above amnesty that enormous amounts of hours spent looking at demos and discovering cheats got thrown away and all the work put in by Jamz and Brahma for example was in effect wasted. A great many of the more discrete cheats are indeed back on the servers as has been pointed out. This issue lies with with devs imo and TyD can’t be held responsible for it.

The fact is, the dev team has never shown any interest in maintaining a central blacklist.
If one considers the work and effort required to keep such a list current it’s not hard to see why.

What gets forgotten here is pwnage in particular and TyD in general have since I’ve been playing been the only stable clan prepared to put in the enormous amounts of work required to maintain any sort of blacklist and the fact that it is used by so many other server owners as a basis for their individual server lists bears testimony to its usefulness and popularity.

Add to this no server owner is forced to use the list TyD provide; they choose to because it’s the best on offer.

There may be a case for debate regarding how long a ban should be, my view is simple; proven cheat, banned for life. As often pointed out, its not as if you get banned from playing any online games, just this one.

It is in the end quite simple. If you don’t want to get banned then don’t cheat.
If you get caught, don’t come to the forums crying, you knew the risk, you just assumed the honest player were too stupid to catch you out.
It’s just adding insult afterwards to come to the forums crying about unfair blacklists and clan politics. You started the unfair chain when you decided to cheat. Not so clever when it happens to you though is it :-p

[MCS]

are judges worthy ?

Doesnt matter. They pay the bills.

To make the server this is one thing, but decide who can play and who no, who will be ban and who will be unban, on whom to hang up a label - its other thing.

So youre saying I can buy a house, but I cant throw people i dont like out. xD

Here you cant use manual from dev and you cant pay to hosting to solve this problem. All responsibility false on you. And here again we come back in other part of my post which probably have not read (after ©)

You still arent listening. The server owner is Michael Jackson. Youre Tito.

Make clean period of ban.

Doesnt work. We tried this.

ps: i hosted servers and i will do it again, if i will need it ;)

Please do. Run it with no blacklist, please. See what happens when Victor finds your server.

[Vlad]

Loosing matches in a public league has nothing to do with this...

ok, not lost matches, but league with cheaters has offended you.

It's our property, so unless you're willing to pay for my server 149.00 € with monthly 69.00 € I suggest you stop being a smart ass.

Dont pay and watch your language.

Please re-read this point, as stated in TERMS OF SERVICE:

Ofc, that why i sad :

.. responsibility ... - It simply is not present.

or you didnt read TERMS OF SERVICE ?

are judges worthy ?

Doesnt matter. They pay the bills.

This is a quote from the classics of Russian literature and the meaning is that judges do not deserve. A similar idea is in the Bible : "do not judge lest you will judge". But you turned it into a stock exchange. Maybe i can buy you bl and servers ? How much ? ( but I can not answer for myself, I can ban all! )

Doesnt work. We tried this.

And what happend ? Few kids cheated again ? Mati, are you going to cheat after year in bl ?

Please do. Run it with no blacklist, please. See what happens when Victor finds your server.

ps: i hosted servers and i will do it again, if i will need it ;)

But we ran it with BL. I didnt say that i dont agree wiht BL !
I just really cant understand why you cant unban guys after one year.
Really cant. Wait ... No, cant. Maybe because ... a-a-a, no. No reasons.
Sorry maybe im not so smart ass.

[Apollo{TyD}]

@vlad:
^^w/e

make whatever you want as we do whatever we want. If you think you have more wisdom in handling cheaters as we have then congrats. If you think it makes sense to throw in some cites - go on. Doesn't change the way we handle our servers. We have made already enough experiences over the past four years. If this doesnt count then I have no idea why we are still talking here with all these server-hoster-wannabes and the guys who still thinks that complaining and trolling in the forum is the same thing like contributing.

@tipper:
I can't say it better. Full agree on that

@mati:
So stop complaining about others cases, especially if you dont know all backgrounds. The only problem you think about is the fact that you are banned. And you have admitted that the reasons for that decision were correct. Oh - and it has NOTHING to do that you are from Poland (we dont care about the nationality of the people on our lists - or do we only collect polish IPs?).

[Mati]

Vlad Wrote:
ps: i hosted servers and i will do it again, if i will need it ;)
Please do. Run it with no blacklist, please. See what happens when Victor finds your server.

Who told without blacklist ? Blacklist should be with current cheaters not with ex-cheaters .. can't you understand it ? are you too young ? too stupid or what ?

BTW: Today again i saw player with speedhack I played only 10 mins on public server but is enought to meet cheater .. but you prefer looking for logs with me and other ex-cheater. but while you found logs with me you can see I'm playing fair ..

[titiPT]

Blacklist should be with current cheaters not with ex-cheaters .. can't you understand it ? are you too young ? too stupid or what ?

I can't understand that, am i stupid?
So, if i cheat today and stop cheating tomorrow, i shouldn't be in that blacklist?

[MCS]

Blacklist should be with current cheaters not with ex-cheaters .. can't you understand it ? are you too young ? too stupid or what ?

Do this on your server. We´ll continue to do what we think is best for our servers.
And yes, insulting us will certainly delete your blacklist entry.

[Mati]

So, if i cheat today and stop cheating tomorrow, i shouldn't be in that blacklist?

lol of course no .. but after more than 1 year ?

[titiPT]

From the moment that you used a cheat client, you knew that the consequences of getting caught were beyhond your control.

It doesn't depend on you now.

[MCS]

well in my opinion i´d say we´ll get around to deleting it in the next decade or so

[Mati]

well in my opinion i´d say we´ll get around to deleting it in the next decade or so

Good news for my children

[MCS]

just not motivated to remove a jerk

[Undead]

true you didn't cheat, carlglass, but political behavior can get it too.

yes you are correct

[Dade]

For those complaining... clans that use TyD blacklist do so because they trust TyD judgment. If my clan - and I suppose any other - would have any doubt of how clean/safely cheaters and offenders are treated on TyD BlackList, then we would probably build our own blacklist or find some other solution.

TyD makes a great and huge work maintaining the blacklist, and as they describe on their ToS, is up to you how you use their blacklist. If you don't like to ban offenders, get rid of all the 'General Misbehavior' (etc) part of the BL, or any other you may not like. In most cases you have dates of when the ban has occurred, hence if much people will think like you they will be able to erase that entries. Why people don't do this? Maybe some people just for laziness but I don't think there are much clans accepting a BL without even check it's contents, hence the most accurate answer would be, again, because they trust TyD work and are fine with their ban politics.

Of course, is not TyD or devs fault if people cheats and as many others said, cheaters decision have it's consequences; you can't play expecting the other players are too idiots to discover you, and after a year of ban come back as it never happens. Start a new 'gaming life' on another game and remember that - usually - cheating doesn't pay back.

GGz!

[MCS]

true you didn't cheat, carlglass, but douche bags can get it too.

yes you are correct

you right

[Undead]

true you didn't cheat, carlglass, but pros can get it too.

yes you are correct

you right

you flame why?

[MCS]

and your post wasnt flaming? heh

[Undead]

and your post wasnt flaming? heh

it wasn't, read over it.

[MCS]

yes cleverly changing one word to make you seem like the victim. yeah it wasnt

[pwnage{TyD}]

40 000 unarmed ;) most of the game under different nicks, by changing them constantly, the other part goes with the case and the rest is no lifers and ladderwhore this is true, and do not tell me that your servers have the popularity

I looked on the link and saw who connected with from among the 40 clans now plays 12 do not mix what was and is now

but I came here not to talk about the popularity servers of the great god

back to topic i say many others not only of your ladder

You obviously haven't read the ladder pages at all.

names
All ladder scores are based on the names players use. So if you're using multiple names, you will have multiple entries. Of course, all scores for 'unarmed' are ignored.

What was? Like I said before, please read about the things you don't seem to understand.
http://ladder.tearyoudown.com/clanwar/?m...&year=2011
http://ladder.tearyoudown.com/clanwar/?m...&year=2011
http://ladder.tearyoudown.com/clanwar/?m...&year=2011

[tempest]

Don't feed the troll, pwnage ;)

[|BME|m@C]

I read it pwnage but many players have many nicks, and look many clans in your ladder is banned from you xD

@tempest
good joke, I will not have to feed it, look at your posts that do not add anything here and you call me a troll? you say all the time for trolling, and he is doing, please consider your posts

Peace

[#M|A#Wolf]

@tempest
good joke, I will not have to feed it, look at your posts that do not add anything here and you call me a troll? you say all the time for trolling, and he is doing, please consider your posts

Peace

You misunderstood tempest, you are not going to feed the troll. You are going to be fed :)

[ElCrema]

Ok, since cheating is being discussed and the flames are going high, I'm gonna throw a little joke to lesser the tensions:

What do you call a guy using speedhack??








A Cheetah!!!


:DD

[Cemer]

Ok, since cheating is being discussed and the flames are going high, I'm good throw a little joke to lesser the tensions:

What do you call a guy using a speedhack??








A Cheetah!!!


:DD

* Cemer gives ElCrema 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 internets. Crema be slicker than Cream.

[Viper]

Ok, since cheating is being discussed and the flames are going high, I'm good throw a little joke to lesser the tensions:

What do you call a guy using a speedhack??








A Cheetah!!!


:DD

* Cemer gives ElCrema 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 internets. Crema be slicker than Cream.

Thank you for your useful post. I'm sure it benefited everyone.