3v3 CTF World Rankings

[andy]

EDIT: January rankings

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ASSAULTCUBE 3v3 CTF WORLD RANKINGS
AS AT JANUARY 1, 2014

RATED CLANS
RANK  CLAN   RATING  RD    GAMES
1     w00p   1997    106   24
2     BoB    1907    107   19
3     oNe    1839    129   15
4     FD     1780    123   14
5     aK     1716    145   12
6     LC     1591    143   13

UNRATED CLANS
CLAN   RD    GAMES
45     168   10
aW     203   6
aX     254   4
CoE    161   9
dyH    214   4
FG     245   3
HsOs   267   2
Hunt   242   4
MA     278   2
MyS    168   9
PB     180   8
rC     158   9
SA     211   4
STK    179   6
xW     203   6
(to be rated, must have played 10 games with an RD below 150)

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Bored over the last few days, have never really done anything for AC despite being around on and off for four years and I'm a nerd for stats. Introducing the 3v3 CTF World Rankings.

Every 3v3 CTF tournament match played by a clan since the beginning of the year has been used to determine a rating for each clan, relative to other tournament-playing clans. These ratings will then be used to create a world ranking system.

The ratings use the Glicko system, which is a newer, modified, and imho better version of the Elo system. For an explanation on the difference between Elo & Glicko, read this, or if you need an intro to rating systems in general read this.

Rankings will be updated monthly. Official rankings will begin on January 1, 2014, using results of all 2013 tournaments. As far as I can tell, this means only two: the Summer Cup and B} League (ACWC does not involve clans and will instead count towards national rankings, if/when they are calculated).

To be considered a ranked clan, a clan must play ten tournament matches and hold an RD value of 150 or less (context given later). I have already entered every ranked match for 2013 up to November 1, and the resulting RD value & games played for each clan is shown below. Hopefully this will give clans an idea of how many more games they need to play over the next two months in order to be ranked on Jan 1, when rankings are released:

Note that the actual ratings will remain hidden until Jan 1 (the **** in the table): the only visible numbers for now are games played and rating deviation (RD). Ratings will be shown on Jan 1.

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ASSAULTCUBE 3v3 CTF WORLD RANKINGS (ratings hidden)
AS AT NOVEMBER 1, 2013


RANKED CLANS (in alphabetical order)

CLAN   RATING  RD   MATCHES
aK|    ****    137  12
{BoB}  ****    117  15
FD*    ****    145  10
w00p|  ****    113  18


UNRANKED CLANS (in alphabetical order)

CLAN   RATING  RD   MATCHES
45.    ****    202  6
=aW=   ****    198  6
|aX|   ****    295  1
B}     ****    191  6
{CoE}  ****    155  9
=FG=   ****    308  1
HsOs   ****    263  2
[Hunt] ****    238  4
|#LC*| ****    151  11
=MyS=  ****    186  6
|oNe|  ****    157  9
.rC    ****    207  4
=SA=   ****    207  4
xW     ****    198  6

(The ratings/rankings of ranked clans will be revealed when official rankings begin on Jan 1, 2014)

HOW TO GET RANKED:

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To recieve a standard rating and be ranked, a clan must play at least ten ranked matches and have their RD (rating deviation) under 150. Rating deviation decreases every time you play a match, and increases slowly over time. Until the ten game and sub-150 RD requirement is reached, a clan's rating is hidden and they will not be ranked.

Once a standard rating has been achieved, the clan's RD must continue to remain under 150. If a ranked clan's RD climbs back over 150, they will be moved back to the unranked list. Their rating is not lost, and they do not have to play ten matches to be re-ranked: they must simply play enough to get their RD back below 150.

RD decreases every time a clan plays a tournament match, and then increases slightly at the end of every month, regardless of whether or not the clan played tournament matches during the month.

WHICH MATCHES ARE CONSIDERED 'RANKED'/COUNT TOWARDS WORLD RANKING:

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Only 3v3 CTF matches, played in a tournament, count towards world ranking. Standard CM's do not count.

For tournament games to qualify as 'ranked matches', the tournament must have been announced in the 'Clans and Wars' section of the AC Forums.

Screenshots of every ranked game must be posted publicly in a central location (ie. on the AC forums, on a clan's forum, or on a dedicated tournament forum). Demos should be available if required.

In tournaments where clans field two or more teams, only the results of the 'A' team will count towards world rankings. Any matches played by the 'B' team will not affect the clan's rating. Likewise, any match played against a 'B' team will not count towards a clan's rating, even if that clan was playing with their 'A' team.

Games that are forfeit during a tournament will not be considered towards world ranking; the team must win/lose in game play for ratings to be affected.

CONTEXT FOR RD/HOW RD WORKS (boring):

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A clan with an RD of 200 will have it increase roughly two points per month; a clan with an RD of 100 will have it increase roughly five points per month.

A clan with an RD of 200 who plays one match against an evenly skilled clan with an RD of 200 would have their RD drop by 20, regardless of the result. Their RD would then rise by about two points at the end of the month. The same situation with both clans at an RD of 100 would result in a drop of four points (although they would rise five points again at the end of the month).

A clan with an RD of 100 would have to not play a tournament match for twelve months to move back above 150 and be unranked. If they then played a single tournament match in the thirteenth month, they would be re-ranked, although they would not have nearly as long to play another game before losing their ranking again.

Proper rankings/ratings will be released on Jan 1, 2014. If I have spare time and there's enough interest i can also calculate national rankings, based off every ACWC since the inaugural one in 2009. 1v1 rankings are also possible, but as far as I can tell, there have been no 1v1 tournaments since the weekend cup crashed at the end of 2012 (outside of a couple of loosely organised LSS tournaments). So therefore 1v1 rankings aren't viable until there is some data (ie. until people play some 1v1 tournaments).

tl;dr: play more B} League games/3v3 CTF tournaments and get a world ranking on Jan 1, 1v1 and national rankngs potentially to come soon as well

(or don't if no one cares)

[Orynge]

I think a lot of people have been wanting to do something like this for a really long time now, thanks for being the first. :P

[Marti]

Ehh but what happens when your clan got DQ in summer cup?

[Million]

All your matchs are lost :]

[andy]

I wrote somewhere in the posts that forfeits don't count against your rating. While normally I don't think that would be right, the nature of ac tournaments involve so many forfeits that I think it would skew the rankings too much, especially when most active clans are only getting 5-10 tournament games a year. In a lot of forfeits both sides are somewhat at fault, and I think it would be unfair to decimate the ranking of a ranked #1 or #2 clan forfeiting to a low ranked clan in that situation. They take enough of a penalty from losing pts/getting eliminated from the tournament.

I'm open to discussion on that though if people think its wrong

[Marti]

Yay


Seems like oNe is ruining their rating by being so pr0 in the B} league :p

[Orynge]

Also,
Something we've all known for a while now, but now we have proof.

B} > oNe

[Xenon]

i tend to agree
does it look like we care what our rating is
we are still waiting for w00p to sort their shit out so we can get this summer cup out of the way xoxo

[andy]

nononononononno

These are not the rankings. The ratings are hidden until jan 1 (that's the **** on the table). The number is just the rd (rating deviation), basically how confident the system is of your ranking. Higher rd = more uncertain of your ranking. You need to be <150 to get ranked on jan 1

Edit: it just looks like rating because I haven't formatted the table properly, I'm on my phone atm but ill fix it on a computer soon. I promise the ratings aren't that wack

[Orynge]

Damn.

[{HTN}3Ni6M@]

so how do you submit scores to be calculated?

[gambino]

Ehh but what happens when your clan got DQ in summer cup?

Dairy Queen?

[MerCyKiL]

[Marti]

you both got it wrong

this is DQ


EDIT: if anyone wonders: yes he is

[Ronald_Reagan]

Chill out 1Cap, stop reporting posts.

[Krayce]

Nice ambition!
Where can we see the ranking list (any website specialized in this category? or only from a topic in the forum)...
Anyway, good luck bro.

[MerCyKiL]

Chill out 1Cap, stop reporting posts.

i swear to god hes on his period

[TheNihilanth]

bloody 1Cap :D

[andy]

so how do you submit scores to be calculated?

If the tournament is advertised/announced on the AC forums, and screenshots/demos are posted somewhere easily accessible, then you don't need to do anything. The games will already be added (your tournament fits all of this, assuming you/the teams post screenshots, so you don't need to do anything)

Nice ambition!
Where can we see the ranking list (any website specialized in this category? or only from a topic in the forum)...
Anyway, good luck bro.

Thanks man. Rankings aren't posted until January 1. No website for the moment, I'm going to wait to see if this gets any support. Rankings will get edited into the OP when they are announced so no-one has to dig through the thread

[TheNihilanth]

What version of the Glicko system are you using?

[andy]

The original. Glicko-2 is probably a better system but it's designed to work better with larger amounts of games (the guy who designed it suggests 10-15 games per rating period, which is per month in my system). AC doesn't get enough tournaments to make that work, so I went with the original

[TheNihilanth]

Isn't Glicko system version 1 only for 1 versus 1 matches?

[andy]

Yep. It can be used to rank teams, though. What 'one on one' refers to is that you can't have, say, three teams in the same game. Or you can't rank players individually in a 3v3 system. You are assessing one player against another player, or one team against another team.

[andy]

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ASSAULTCUBE 3v3 CTF WORLD RANKINGS
AS AT JANUARY 1, 2014

RATED CLANS
RANK  CLAN   RATING  RD    GAMES
1     w00p   1997    106   24
2     BoB    1907    107   19
3     oNe    1839    129   15
4     FD     1780    123   14
5     aK     1716    145   12
6     LC     1591    143   13

UNRATED CLANS
CLAN   RD    GAMES
45     168   10
aW     203   6
aX     254   4
CoE    161   9
dyH    214   4
FG     245   3
HsOs   267   2
Hunt   242   4
MA     278   2
MyS    168   9
PB     180   8
rC     158   9
SA     211   4
STK    179   6
xW     203   6
(to be rated, must have played 10 games with an RD below 150)

[#M|A#Wolf]

You got those numbers from the latest cups?

[andy]

Official rankings will begin on January 1, 2014, using results of all 2013 tournaments. As far as I can tell, this means only two: the Summer Cup and B} League

Every match from both those tournaments between two 'A' teams was used for ratings. ie. games involving a 'junior' team or a second team from the same clan were not counted.

[Undead]

wonder what it would look like discounting games with million in it.

haha

[Sanzo'']

wonder what it would look like adding older tournaments.

but i'm sure undead's team would be second <3

[Million]

wonder what it would look like discounting games with million in it.

haha

Bwahahah y u funny

Yeah fuck that oNe would be first

[Undead]

but i'm sure undead's team would be second <3

im the best sniper in 1.2