u MAD ???

[Xenon]

holey shit nightmare, you don't realise smg is op in 1.2 yet do you? it will be most peoples weapons of choice, apart from a select few who will still use ar...

[Nightmare]

Your welcome, mercykil. ;)

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Xenon, just going by statistics. If they are proven wrong, so be it. Have to wait and see. <3
For those not in proving grounds/no svn...

Facts

SMG kills slightly faster against 25-75 armor, but it's spread is basically 3x the AR's so it's only better close range, as it should be. The current AR is the exact same as 1104 mostly. A little less kickback and way less spread. Kill at all ranges & autowin ctf games with rifle sprinting. As long as AR players keep their distance, they have an advantage if it comes down to equal aim and armor. SMG is better close range.....sometimes.

FTW

Larry Never Lies - The majority of the match, battles happen with 0 armor. So AR is on equal footing over half the time, even at close range(if not better due to spread).

I actually watched a few demos of good players all on shine and counted the number of times they engaged with armour and without. Try it and you'll find I'm right; in most fights players aren't armoured. The one exception might be the flag carrier during flag battles who will usually retain hefty amounts of armour until killed.

So statistically it should be a Sniper/AR festival.

Target Audience for Specific Players

Winners = AR
Pro Aim Guys = Sniper
Better feel & close range over versatility = SMG
Mentally Ill = Carbine(loses so badly statistically, you really have to play it a certain way just to have a chance.)
Cool Guys = Shotgun

[Vanquish]

Swap the 'Mentally Ill' and 'Cool Guys'. The 1.2 carbine is fine, but the shotgun is godawful.

[Nightmare]

xD k. Was trying to be ironic since they're called shotgun noobs in 1104...on pubs at least.

mentally ill carbine came from this. :3

Carbine's pierce is down to 40 in svn right now(going by what aerke told me). 59+ armor basically erases it's chance of winning in a head to head straight up fight. And with 66% accuracy(hack much?) vs 59+ armor, it'll take over 2000ms to kill, vs. full autos 720 ms...1000ishms with some missing from them. Each extra miss with the carbine is a huge punishment of 720ms.

but the carbine guy won't just charge in like a madman!!!1111!!

In this case, if this player can aim sniper as well as his carbine, the sniper absolutely crushes it statistically in every single way and scenario, even without headshots. So the carbine will be a very niche weapon most likely.

[Takkunen]

Swap the 'Mentally Ill' and 'Cool Guys'. The 1.2 carbine is fine, but the shotgun is godawful.

It honestly needs to be reworked completely. the damage design is pretty shocking.

[Oracle]

All I want for Christmas
is youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

* Oracle looks at that AC 1.2

[ärkefiende]

* ärkefiende slaps ShadowFlameZ
Do I look like Santa? :P

[Nightmare]

Wasn't Santa German?

[Oracle]

* ärkefiende slaps ShadowFlameZ
Do I look like Santa? :P

No, but jamz does.