SVN NON PROVING THREADS

[Xenon]

Just tested SVN in 2v2.

Every weapon is useless and a piece of shit and is like a pea shooter. The AR is far to weak. The smg shoots peas. The sniper is balanced, but is overpowered because of the weakness of the guns.

Plz put more damage on both weapons lel

[Artemis]

I have to say: AR definitely needs 20 bullets.

[YourSister]

the sniper era begins.

[Xenon]

1.0 sniper
1.0 smg but a bit weaker
1.0 ar but a bit weaker...

thats how balance is atm

[Nightmare]

keel full autos!!!
But yeah the winners of weekend cups can't win with carbine/shotgun because they don't have real skill. Truth.

[PERROS]

expected activate superpowers!

[Edward]

The AR is far to weak.

I have to say: AR definitely needs 20 bullets.

Edit : Read also

I have seen many threads like this before, any discussion is pointless! If you want to waste yout thoughts in this thread, feel free to do so... but as i said, its pointless. [...] The game itself can be made more popular with many other things added/fixed, not just gema. But that wont happen because it doesnt fit into the developers idea of what this game should be.

[Oracle]

Eddy, you depress me.

[Mael]

I think we're trying to fix the balance because it is broken not because we want to make the game more popular. Gema is not a bandage for a broken system.

[Artemis]

@Edward:
Which underlines we should double our efforts to make our voice heard, no matter what :)



EDIT: 3 posts in 1 minute!

[Edward]

@mael : you misunderstood my post or I failed to express myself properly. I am talking about the ar : "with many other things added/fixed".
I quoted HP because I couldn't say it better than he did. This is about devs policy. If you still dont understand read this thread : http://forum.cubers.net/thread-2074.html

[Oracle]

you misunderstood my post or I failed to express myself properly.

Nah, I know what you mean.
You were using HP's quote because of what he said at the end...

The game itself can be made more popular with many other things added/fixed, not just gema. But that wont happen because it doesnt fit into the developers idea of what this game should be.

[|HP|]

..

Or maybe he ment that starting threads about weapon balance being bad wont change anything lol
idk and dont care:D


I haz questions. Whos opinion was being listened to when they decided to make the balance in SVN as it is now? Cuz im confused?! Shouldnt the people who know best about competitive parts of this game be more involved?

AC makes my brain explode

[Edward]

lol shadow. I edited but I am too slow :p

[Xenon]

The SVN basiclly makes armor 100x more useful then what it is in 1.1

This really needs to be reviewed. AR needs a buff with less spread and up to 20 bullets.
SMG really needs more power, I don't know what's changed but it's really weak.
SNIPER IS OP IF THESE SETTINGS STAY THE SAME.
Carbine is actually good in survivor on douze because AR is impossible.
Shotgun seemed good.

[YourSister]

months ago players said that in the current version

AR is OP
Sniper is unuseful
SMG shoot peas and its difficult to handle

So what they did makes sense

AR now is weaker
SMG keep shooting peas
Sniper gets better

thats balance

[Orynge]

Yes, the devs should wave their magical wand and it'll instantly become balanced. They clearly aren't working hard enough.
[/sarcasm]

[Xenon]

The balance would be fine now if everyone had 85 hp instead of 100... lol

[Nightmare]

F1 yoursister.

[aNytHe0ne]

[...]
AR now is weaker
SMG keep shooting peas
Sniper gets better

thats balance

Yeah, but the question isn't just about whether the weapons are balanced or not.

It's even more important than balance to choose the right methods to achieve the balance. I think this is where Xenon sees the problem: Some carefulness is needed to avoid destroying the gameplay.

And Ory is correct, it does take some time to get it right.

[MykeGregory]

months ago players said that in the current version

AR is OP
Sniper is unuseful
SMG shoot peas and its difficult to handle

So what they did makes sense

AR now is weaker
SMG keep shooting peas
Sniper gets better

thats balance

F1

[Edward]

months ago players said that in the current version

AR is OP
Sniper is unuseful
SMG shoot peas and its difficult to handle

So what they did makes sense

AR now is weaker
SMG keep shooting peas
Sniper gets better

thats balance

Decrease the AR but NOT THAT MUCH !!! +15 max dmg for smg and -150 for AR dont seems more balanced to me. Does it really make sense for you Yoursister? You gotta explain it to me because I am sorry but I really dont understand :(

Never said that sniper was "unuseful" and smg difficult to handle btw.

[Xenon]

With the balance now: The game is a slower version of ASSAULTCUBE.
The game is more devoted to armor.
The AR is very useless, and it's only positive is the Rifle Jump.
The SMG is much more powerful and useful then the AR, bar' the rifle jump.
The SR is fine.
The SG appears to be very decent, and much better balanced in the SVN over the other version.
The Carbine is great, in Survivor modes because it's nearly impossible to kill 1 person on a map such as douze with 1 clip with either the SMG or AR.
The mode survivor appeals way more to the Single Fire weapons.
CTF appears to be too slow.


Changes I would like: AR to be back to the balance is has now, or a bit less spread with the damage the AR has now.
SMG to be buffed with the recoil lowered a bit less then what it is now and the spread to be what it is in the SVN now.
Carbine to have a slightly faster fire-rate.
Sniper to be kept same.
Shotgun kept same.

[ExodusS]

*exoduss loves the sniper in general*
*exoduss add "I think" before everyone affirmation*
*exoduss see AR users' rage*
*exoduss laugh hard*

Hopefully, many of you are not in the prooving ground.

[Xenon]

proving ground is for nerds

[ElCrema]

Of course the game feels slower, after all we don't have ARs only rifle sprinting everywhere.

[Alien]

@xenon
if they would balance it opposite way , they would have to add auto-aim hack for sniper r. ;)

[Roflcopter]

if they would balance it opposite way , they would have to add auto-aim hack for sniper r. ;)

No they wouldn't. Simply make sniper penetrate shield (remove most shield) and lower damage to 66.

Sniper + 2 pistols = kill at any 100 + <25 shield.
Sniper + 3 pistols = kill at any 100 + 25 shield (or more).

Sniper now kills in the same time (720ms) as AR vs a 100-hp 100-shield player.

But yet 1 sniper shot can be healed so as to take a second shot with a single medkit. This keeps the game fast paced.

[Boomhauer]

*exoduss loves the sniper in general*
*exoduss add "I think" before everyone affirmation*
*exoduss see AR users' rage*
*exoduss laugh hard*

BAHAHA love it!!! F1 for .ExodusS*

ALSO: Edward, you are truly disturbed. First the kid humping the dog, now this weird gay-as-hell video. Please stop. Keep your perverse internet browsing finds to yourself. You have now made me physically ill 2 too many times.

EDIT*** TY to whomever deleted Edwards post.

[Misty]

Shotgun seemed good.

there you go. wasn't that the whole issue? also.. something about douze?