Russia-Ukraine

[aarmaageedoon]

Crimea up to 60-s of the last century belonged to Russia

And in XVII century 3/4 of Ukraine belonged to Poland, give us it back...

[Orynge]

I sense a lot of up-and-coming politicians in this thread...

[RandumKiwi]

The Cimmerians, Greeks, Scythians, Goths, Huns, Bulgars, Khazars, the state of Kievan Rus', Byzantine Greeks, Kipchaks, Ottoman Turks, Golden Horde Tatars and the Mongols all controlled Crimea in its early history. In the 13th century, it was partly controlled by the Venetians and by the Genovese; they were followed by the Crimean Khanate and the Ottoman Empire in the 15th to 18th centuries, the Russian Empire in the 18th to 20th centuries, the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and later the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic within the Soviet Union. In 1991 it became part of independent Ukraine, as the Autonomous Republic Crimea.

So, the Crimean region, has been pwnt a lot... and so on, so forth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Crimea


How about we give it to the Greeks then, eh?

[1Cap]

"War. War never changes..."

[Undead]

I sense a lot of up-and-coming politicians in this thread...

no, they are just idiots with big mouths.

politicians generally have more sense.

So, the Crimean region, has been pwnt a lot... and so on, so forth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Crimea


How about we give it to the Greeks then, eh?

yes, nationalism is silly

[|40+|Axel]

Crimea up to 60-s of the last century belonged to Russia

And in XVII century 3/4 of Ukraine belonged to Poland, give us it back...

I do not against,this area is now populated mainly nationalistsXD

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The Cimmerians, Greeks, Scythians, Goths, Huns, Bulgars, Khazars, the state of Kievan Rus', Byzantine Greeks, Kipchaks, Ottoman Turks, Golden Horde Tatars and the Mongols all controlled Crimea in its early history. In the 13th century, it was partly controlled by the Venetians and by the Genovese; they were followed by the Crimean Khanate and the Ottoman Empire in the 15th to 18th centuries, the Russian Empire in the 18th to 20th centuries, the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and later the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic within the Soviet Union. In 1991 it became part of independent Ukraine, as the Autonomous Republic Crimea.

So, the Crimean region, has been pwnt a lot... and so on, so forth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Crimea


How about we give it to the Greeks then, eh?

if in the Crimea 90% of the population were Greeks, why not?after the separation of Kosovo from Serbia, everything is possible
but the Greeks now live there too :)

[Andrez]

:')
PS: they misspelt "Ukrainian", lolz

[Nightmare]

Axel. So what does Russia want exactly? Crimea? Half of the Ukraine? All of the Ukraine?
What is the goal and when will this invasion end?

[ExodusS]

Crimea territory for their army in the Black sea, and own Ukrain decisions for the gaz I guess.
Anyway it's not for their "language" bullshit.

[|40+|Axel]

Axel. So what does Russia want exactly? Crimea? Half of the Ukraine? All of the Ukraine?
What is the goal and when will this invasion end?

ahaha you'd better ask the Obama administration that will be further
I think Putin is clearly in a recent interview said that he has no plans to join in the Crimea or any other part of Ukraine to Russia, another thing that the Western media is poured, then tells them that their leadership,and the words of Russians politicians do not reach your ear

[pufig]

в Украине живет много националистов,ненавидящих русских,этим ктото воспользовался.. а может и само по себе начало бурлить... (в Украине много людей живущих почти на пороге бедности,но в самой России ситуация ничем не лучше,только небольшая прослойка людей 20-35% может обеспечить себе более-менее комфортные условия для жизни)...

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in Ukraine there are many nationalists, Russian hate, someone took it .. and maybe itself beginning to boil ... (in Ukraine many people living almost on the verge of poverty, but in Russia the situation is no better, only a small layer of 20 people -35% can provide a more or less comfortable conditions for life)

//XRD edit: Translated

In Ukraine there are many nationalists, who hate Russians, and someone seems to have made use of it.. Or maybe it had started "boiling" by itself... (in Ukraine there are a lot of people living on the brink of poverty, however the situation is not that different in Russia itself; only a portion of people 20-35% can provide themselves a more or less comfortable life)...

//SKB: less sucky translation

[Marti]

So there are a lot of turkish people living here, i think we should give NL to Turkey

[Nightmare]

"Russians storm Ukrainian military base."

[Marti]

Also, since when does pufig speak russian?

[Orynge]

I sense a lot of up-and-coming politicians in this thread...

no, they are just idiots with big mouths.

politicians generally have more sense.

I probably should've used sarcasm tags.



If Putin wants Ukraine, it's his. There's really no stopping him, and no-one can sanction Russia through the UNSC, they can only sanction him through diplomacy.

[#M|A#Wolf]

So there are a lot of turkish people living here, i think we should give NL to Turkey

Completely agree. About time we get back Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California and Nevada.

[Undead]

If Putin wants Ukraine, it's his. There's really no stopping him, and no-one can sanction Russia through the UNSC, they can only sanction him through diplomacy.

it is not so simple

[|40+|Axel]

Not the first time a national of the President of Ukraine overthrows a bunch of thugs,de facto interests Eastern Ukraine nobody considers, therefore on the East are now seeing protests and Crimea will vote for independence

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"Russians storm Ukrainian military base."

when,where and what result?

[CharlyMurphie]

I did an essay back in '03 (community college). Boris pretty much gave Putin the election for the Russian peeps. I'm all American so I'm unsure of the dates and don't give a shit. I have to work to(day)morrow BUH BYE.

[RandumKiwi]

if in the Crimea 90% of the population were Greeks, why not?after the separation of Kosovo from Serbia, everything is possible
but the Greeks now live there too :)

NZ speaks mainly English, but if England came and tried to claim New Zealand as their own, we'd tell them politely to fuck off (it is the fucking queen, we wouldn't want to be rude about it).

[|40+|Axel]

if in the Crimea 90% of the population were Greeks, why not?after the separation of Kosovo from Serbia, everything is possible
but the Greeks now live there too :)

NZ speaks mainly English, but if England came and tried to claim New Zealand as their own, we'd tell them politely to fuck off (it is the fucking queen, we wouldn't want to be rude about it).

you ever hear what I talk?
Russia does not capture other countries and peoples,Russia asks to take into account the interests of all parties,the East of Ukraine also participated in the political life of the country.February 21, facilitated by France and Germany, an agreement was concluded,which takes into account the interests of all parties in Ukraine.Russia does not occupy the Crimea or other part of Ukraine.But no one has repealed the nation self-determination if the citizens of Crimea will vote to secede from the Ukraine and the creation of their own state, that no one has the right to deprive them of this possibility

[RandumKiwi]

if in the Crimea 90% of the population were Greeks, why not?after the separation of Kosovo from Serbia, everything is possible
but the Greeks now live there too :)

NZ speaks mainly English, but if England came and tried to claim New Zealand as their own, we'd tell them politely to fuck off (it is the fucking queen, we wouldn't want to be rude about it).

you ever hear what I talk?
Russia does not capture other countries and peoples,Russia asks to take into account the interests of all parties,the East of Ukraine also participated in the political life of the country.February 21, facilitated by France and Germany, an agreement was concluded,which takes into account the interests of all parties in Ukraine.Russia does not occupy the Crimea or other part of Ukraine.But no one has repealed the nation self-determination if the citizens of Crimea will vote to secede from the Ukraine and the creation of their own state, that no one has the right to deprive them of this possibility

Putin says: Ukraine, would you like to be invaded? We could do it tomorrow, or whenever you're ready, chur!

[|40+|Axel]

if in the Crimea 90% of the population were Greeks, why not?after the separation of Kosovo from Serbia, everything is possible
but the Greeks now live there too :)

NZ speaks mainly English, but if England came and tried to claim New Zealand as their own, we'd tell them politely to fuck off (it is the fucking queen, we wouldn't want to be rude about it).

you ever hear what I talk?
Russia does not capture other countries and peoples,Russia asks to take into account the interests of all parties,the East of Ukraine also participated in the political life of the country.February 21, facilitated by France and Germany, an agreement was concluded,which takes into account the interests of all parties in Ukraine.Russia does not occupy the Crimea or other part of Ukraine.But no one has repealed the nation self-determination if the citizens of Crimea will vote to secede from the Ukraine and the creation of their own state, that no one has the right to deprive them of this possibility

Putin says: Ukraine, would you like to be invaded? We could do it tomorrow, or whenever you're ready, chur!

Yes terrible Russia, if it did not exist, that it need to invent to scare small children

[Nightmare]

NZ speaks mainly English, but if England came and tried to claim New Zealand as their own, we'd tell them politely to fuck off (it is the fucking queen, we wouldn't want to be rude about it).

Has New Zealand ever done major military action?
And do they fight only for themselves, or would they protect Australia, etc. ?
Just wondering.

[Fate]

Has New Zealand ever done major military action?
And do they fight only for themselves, or would they protect Australia, etc. ?
Just wondering.

Military action? New Zealand? I'm pretty sure New Zealand isn't a superpower (or has substantial military might).

And as for "fight[ing] only for themselves", yeah nah. We have this national holiday called Anzac Day.

[Marti]

Russia never captures other countries? Lolwat


Ever heard of the iron curtain? You claimed half of europe

What about the time you invaded afghanistan?

[|40+|Axel]

Russia never captures other countries? Lolwat


Ever heard of the iron curtain? You claimed half of europe

What about the time you invaded afghanistan?

I meant Ukraine, but if you want to talk about the repartition of Europe into spheres of influence after World War II participated in not only Russia,but do not make Russia the devil,after the Second World War in how many wars to participate Russia and how many to participate U.S. and NATO?

[Marti]

Russia does not capture other countries and peoples,Russia asks to take into account the interests of all parties

Ah yeah, only Ukraine

Lolnah

[|40+|Axel]

Russia does not capture other countries and peoples,Russia asks to take into account the interests of all parties

Ah yeah, only Ukraine

Lolnah

yeah Russia asks to take into account the interests of all parties,and, again, Russia is not occupied Ukraine

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but can you answer my question?

[Marti]

How about you answer mine first?