The AC Ladder Working Efficiently

[Apollo{TyD}]

Ok so your main worry is that wiki article and the past

Don't confound cause and effect. I'm not that guy who pointed to that on the first place and with allegations I already have disproved. A simple "oh yes I haven't seen that HI-SKILL article before" or something similar were probably more honest as to get wrapped up in a discussion.

Mine is discussing a new ladder or a way to give new life to a suffering community ...

No problem with that

And forgive me, but that point - go and code yourself - is the poorest leg you can stand on.... Like if there is only one way to contribute to things. Like if sharing ideas before acting wouldn't be the main value.

Ah really? Over the past years probably hundreds of posts with ideas, suggestions and wishes have been done, filled one thread after another. The most things are buried in oblivion (well, who is really interested in reading every single post in such a thread especially when it's already reached the more-then-10-pages-mark, right?). The fewest of them have been discussed in a way that a serious concept could be recognized and still less have been realized.

Don't get me wrong - it's not bad to discuss things. That's also the beginning of all ladder histories here (same goes to the ESL idea, the mapping competitions and other ideas and of course several game improvements). But if there is no one who says to certain point "Hey, talking is fine but how about coding now" you will never see a new one. In our case it was acfan who started the ladder coding after several disussions. Drakas started his coding when the people complained the missing of a ladder. And pwnage recreated our ladder when people especially complained missing of our version. That's how it goes.

It's my personal opinion that in this community full of escalating discussions with a lot of repetitions. What this community needs is a handfull of new coders and coordinators. Some people who are willing to roll up their sleeves (like it was a few years ago) and to spend a lot of time. But it must be feared that all of these guys have been expelled already or they have become dispirited.

And now you can resume the discussion about future-oriented ladder things. Let's see what this does.