08 Feb 11, 08:31AM
(07 Feb 11, 11:55PM)Apollo{TyD} Wrote:(07 Feb 11, 09:59PM)ketar Wrote: Well, I honestly wouldn't call the TyD ladder "AC ladder", meaning that it was/is somehow "official". That wiki article does not seem correct.
One more guy without enough historical background. The ladder was introduced as "AC ladder" by its original developer acfan aka vi just before he become part of Tear you Down!. I have already described this here:
http://forum.cubers.net/thread-554-post-...l#pid10082
(07 Feb 11, 09:59PM)ketar Wrote: We do remember Apollo the rude and disrespectful way your honored ladder was shut down.
Really? it was rude and disrespectful? Probably you have forgotten the disrespectful behaviour of a lot of people against Clown who hosted and developed the ladder to that time. Here you can read his last post to our clan after the AC community donee him with frustrating slurs and insults:
http://forum.tearyoudown.com/showthread.php?tid=1775
(07 Feb 11, 09:59PM)ketar Wrote: So that wiki is only about Tyd Ladder
Really? So how does this article magically appeared on my screen?
http://wiki.cubers.net/action/view/HI-SKILL_ladder
(07 Feb 11, 09:59PM)ketar Wrote: Otherwise it should mention the other ladders we had. I can count at least three of them: Hi-Skill, of course, Brahma's one and IAF ladder made by Lucas
Wow, and there is also:
http://wiki.cubers.net/action/view/List_of_ladders (feel free to add some more)
(07 Feb 11, 09:59PM)ketar Wrote: The one Pwnage reestablished never succeeded, and was overtaken by HS
And the 1000 pages full of player nicknames in the TyD ladder database are also just an illusion. It's quite easy - the ladders have nearly three things in common: they based on AC, they use similar techniques in gaining data and they are creating somehow a player list. Some ppl like ladder a), others ladder b) and probably others a ladder c). So who cares.
Thx for proving point a)
Apollo are you that nitpicking?
I thought some like you was here also to raise the level ot the reasoning. But you concentrate only to prove that someone in the very prehistoric time decided to call his ladder the Ac ladder, and not on the other part of what I am saying. I can call myself king of Bunga Bunga, if the real Bunga Bunga crowned head doesn't say nothing... and yet I can not have at my disposition of all the virgins of that magic place.
I didn't say that the whole wiki section was wrong. I know the other posts you mention. I was just saying that THAT particular article is somehow misleading, since the Tyd is not the AC official ladder, and this for many reasons: because it was not connected, and still isn't, with the game scoring system. Because it is property of a person/group which is/are not the devs, i.e. the official owners of the code. Because in the past, for good or bad reasons, someone decided to close it in a (yes!) rude and disrespectful way (yes! at least against all the people like me who had nothing against him). I guess I am not the only one thinking like that. But this doesn't mean I am attacking Tyd or your operate and i Do like Pwnage and his spirit. But I know that people come and go, just like you, and until something as a ladder, so important for the game, depend on good or bad will of an individual, there will always be a risk.
I think we should move from that and have a real officlal ladder. Something that uses the same scoring system of the game (we now have one and finally is a scoring system that rewards actions done for the team), keeps records of all the players, that allows clan players to change tag/clan and keep his score, that has gold book with records, and that runs on servers well organized , with active and trusted admins often presents (btw, some of these things were active on HS and those were the reason of his superiority)
If I was a dev interested in the success of my game I would consider that as a priority. This not only for the "statistic" side and for those interested in their ranking, but also for many other more subtle reasons I am ready to discuss.