Virus??

[Iguana]

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How do you know linux doesn't have a NSA backdoor? When was the last time you looked through the kernel source code? What about your distributions? Do you know how each part of your operating system works? Stop spreading FUD.

Adblocks and paying attention to the URL isn't everything. DNS Hijacking? I had that happen to be with spybot before.

How fast do you think URL redirect works? Or do you not trust the people who write your browser plugins to detect that?

Do you know why a trojan horse is called a trojan horse? A trojan horse masquerades as something you'd /want/ to download but is actually malware. How do you suppose you're going to stop that with "adblockers and looking at URLs"?

And don't you assume linux is perfect.

Do you remember this? http://www.securityweek.com/ssh-backdoor...x-rootkits

In, I think, the 3.2 version of the kernel buried somewhere inside there is a comment similar to "THIS IS BADLY WRITTEN".

Don't assume GNU/BSD is perfect. Did you know OS X is based on FreeBSD, among other things? Check this out: http://macscan.securemac.com/spyware-list

I don't really know what you against Windows.

lets add a twist to this.

I code my own compiler and for each character on the keyboard i internally bind a backdoor function (say a keylogger) and I build an operating system out of that compiler.

In the end privacy and security is dead and a new meaning of freedom is born.

How would you feel?

[Boomhauer]

People still use anti-virus?

Yes.

I have retired 4 computers that had no viruses ever while they were in my possession...
I haven't had an anti-virus program on my laptop (Windows 7/ Crunchbang) for 2 years.... and my desktop for the past year (Windows 8.1/ Crunchbang)

Neither of my computers have any viruses whatsoever.

I think you just have to stop looking up porn, downloading files from sketchy sources, and not click on advertisements..... idk, but I haven't had a problem with viruses since once in the early days of XP..... and I was actually living in a house full of people at the time that used my pc often, so I don't even think that counts...

This doesn't mean I think you don't need anti-virus... plenty of people do,
but I would choose Kaspersky personally....

[Krayce]

Stop porn/suspecious link, downloading softwares/files from not certified sources, avoid ads, beware to output storage devices.


Now, from my experience what can I say? After having tested AVAST/AVG/Avira/Kapersky/Norton and Windows defender (yes for fun), I had to conclude that;

AVAST: Not bad, I was strongly surprised with the ease of use. Great one but the voice make me uninstall it lol (jk)! (CPU ressources needed: on average: <16000< to >80000ko)

AVG: When you know that this antivirus use ads to promote itself while the installation. NO NO and NO, I deeply disadvise it! Even after uninstallation it keep some ads from your registry base. (CPU ressources needed: on average: <17000< to =>120000ko).

Avira: You feel really protected by it's real time protection, you can see the details and IP of the threats too. You must know that even if you aren't browsing on the internet, you can receive attacks and Avira always notify it. It need ressources if you enable the R.T.P., as I have a "very" old PC I decided to uninstalled it by regrets... (CPU ressources needed: on average: <8000< to =<75000ko).

Kapersky: A real reputation of safety and performance, it's the best as "paid antivirus" (CPU ressource needed: <7000< to =<80000ko).

Norton: Good reputation, but the numbers of plugins and updates make me crazy! I uninstalled it by pleasure! (CPU ressources needed: on average <34000> to >200000ko) and yes, he's the winner of <<the most ressource needed>> kkk.

Windows defender: Only for analyse and to try removing some viruses passing though lawl, it's fragile but it don't use much of ressource at least. (CPU ressources needed: on average <4000 to =<8000ko), yes he's the winner of <<less ressource needed>> lmao.

Conclusion: Avira for "free" antivirus and Kapersky for "paid" antivirus!


Anyway, the best FREE antivirus tested by laboratory still Avira Free Antivirus...
And as PAID antivirus, the best stay Kapersky ofc.
We have also Bitdefender which focus at "all-in-one" services but Kapersky still one of the most effective on the recent threats.

What can I advice?
Use Adblock+Malwarebyte as tool and if you have to go at suspecious website, install a free (Avira) or a paying (Kapersky) antivirus. Don't forget to analyse your computer every week'z and feel free to argue about the ressource needed, these numbers are from 2004 to 2012 source (in my fking oldy pc's).

[Undead]

Conclusion: Avira for "free" antivirus and Kapersky for "paid" antivirus!

can also confirm. avira always seems to catch everything out.

Stop porn

i prefer AIDS

[vonunov]

Yeah Boomhauer, we like to run around clicking on advertisements, that's why people get infected. Good catch. Banner ads are a weakness of mine but I'll try to work on it.

F-secure reports here on software vulnerabilities being a common infection vector: http://www.f-secure.com/en/web/corporati...33906/2013

That and drive-by downloads (which may make use of vulnerabilities in various web software) account for the majority of infections in my experience. Customer has malware, doesn't do anything stupid, just browses the web casually? Drive-by.

This isn't 1999, you don't have to do anything to get infected anymore. People can make jokes about running Common Sense 201x as their antivirus, but the fact remains that if you don't have the time or interest to become proficient in this area, you can miss the knowledge of a lot of little things that would prevent modern infection methods. Noscript to keep out malicious cross-site scripting, management of Java privileges, etc.

[Mousikos]

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How do you know linux doesn't have a NSA backdoor? When was the last time you looked through the kernel source code? What about your distributions? Do you know how each part of your operating system works? Stop spreading FUD.

Adblocks and paying attention to the URL isn't everything. DNS Hijacking? I had that happen to be with spybot before.

How fast do you think URL redirect works? Or do you not trust the people who write your browser plugins to detect that?

Do you know why a trojan horse is called a trojan horse? A trojan horse masquerades as something you'd /want/ to download but is actually malware. How do you suppose you're going to stop that with "adblockers and looking at URLs"?

And don't you assume linux is perfect.

Do you remember this? http://www.securityweek.com/ssh-backdoor...x-rootkits

In, I think, the 3.2 version of the kernel buried somewhere inside there is a comment similar to "THIS IS BADLY WRITTEN".

Don't assume GNU/BSD is perfect. Did you know OS X is based on FreeBSD, among other things? Check this out: http://macscan.securemac.com/spyware-list

I don't really know what you against Windows.

lets add a twist to this.

I code my own compiler and for each character on the keyboard i internally bind a backdoor function (say a keylogger) and I build an operating system out of that compiler.

In the end privacy and security is dead and a new meaning of freedom is born.

How would you feel?

I feel like you're a god damn conspiracy theorist and that you never actually responded to my post. How do you know gcc doesn't do what you mention? How do you know clang++ doen't have those things? When was the last time you went through the source code of every single program you have on your computer?

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People still use anti-virus?

Yes.

I have retired 4 computers that had no viruses ever while they were in my possession...
I haven't had an anti-virus program on my laptop (Windows 7/ Crunchbang) for 2 years.... and my desktop for the past year (Windows 8.1/ Crunchbang)

Neither of my computers have any viruses whatsoever.

I think you just have to stop looking up porn, downloading files from sketchy sources, and not click on advertisements..... idk, but I haven't had a problem with viruses since once in the early days of XP..... and I was actually living in a house full of people at the time that used my pc often, so I don't even think that counts...

This doesn't mean I think you don't need anti-virus... plenty of people do,
but I would choose Kaspersky personally....

A computer virus is a type of malware that, when executed, replicates by inserting copies of itself (possibly modified) into other computer programs, data files, or the boot sector of the hard drive; when this replication succeeds, the affected areas are then said to be "infected".[1][2][3] Viruses often perform some type of harmful activity on infected hosts, such as stealing hard disk space or CPU time, accessing private information, corrupting data, displaying political or humorous messages on the user's screen, spamming their contacts, or logging their keystrokes.

Besides the obviously detectable things such as HDD space, CPU time, and trolling... Please tell me exactly how you have determined that you don't have a software keylogger?

[Boomhauer]

bla bla Boomhauer, bla bla bla......

Hardy fucking Har smartass. I still don't use an antivirus NOW. I am on my computer everyday, its my media center, I download all my movies on it, use Netflix and Hulu.... check all email, everything. And I don't have a virus, and I don't get them. Yes, viruses have been mutated, but you still have to perform an action to acquire them, that HAS NOT changed. No matter how much viruses have been re-written and "improved" if you don't perform the action that places it on your pc, you will not get a virus! Unless you are running a high-profile server... But since you aren't the FBI or NSA, or any other important military organization or profitable conglomerate no one is likely to specifically target you, so the fact remains you still perform the action that puts the virus on your computer. Don't perform that action, No virus. o_0

..pokes a fucking hole in your little theory doesn't it?

[Mousikos]

Whoa. People deleted posts. Also, still waiting on that reply, Boomhauer.

[Marti]

ey which mod deleted my post??

[vonunov]

Yeah, if you break it down to "you have to perform the action that causes the infection" then it can make it seem like the user's fault, but all too often that action is only browsing the web normally and being hit with some exploit that allows software installation, file operations, etc. without explicit user action to that end.

All I'm saying is that you don't have to open the e-mail attachment named "i-love-you.jpg.exe" anymore to get infected; you can actually do it without being an idiot now, so it doesn't make any sense to go around saying that to avoid being infected you just have to not do the wrong thing. That's obvious and useless, like saying that to live forever you simply have to avoid dying. Not opening strange e-mail attachments was an easy way to avoid being infected. How do you anticipate that some reputable website will be served a malicious banner ad by someone renting ad space? It happens.

I'm sure you know what you're doing with your gear there, but I'm curious now how you're sure you aren't infected. Do you check regularly with on-demand scanners, monitor processes/hooks/autoruns, or just see that there are no symptoms? Maybe you're a member of a stealthy botnet. Woooo~

:>

[Mousikos]

Yeah, if you break it down to "you have to perform the action that causes the infection" then it can make it seem like the user's fault, but all too often that action is only browsing the web normally and being hit with some exploit that allows software installation, file operations, etc. without explicit user action to that end.

All I'm saying is that you don't have to open the e-mail attachment named "i-love-you.jpg.exe" anymore to get infected; you can actually do it without being an idiot now, so it doesn't make any sense to go around saying that to avoid being infected you just have to not do the wrong thing. That's obvious and useless, like saying that to live forever you simply have to avoid dying. Not opening strange e-mail attachments was an easy way to avoid being infected. How do you anticipate that some reputable website will be served a malicious banner ad by someone renting ad space? It happens.

I'm sure you know what you're doing with your gear there, but I'm curious now how you're sure you aren't infected. Do you check regularly with on-demand scanners, monitor processes/hooks/autoruns, or just see that there are no symptoms? Maybe you're a member of a stealthy botnet. Woooo~

:>

Is botnet slave technically a virus? I thought that'd be a rootkit.

[vonunov]

I take for granted that when people talk about a "virus" they mean malware in general, when we're not in some situation where the distinction actually matters.

Even the internal tech support guys where I work just say "virus", and they're talking to other techies so it's not as if they wouldn't be understood. It just doesn't matter unless you're digging into exactly how this particular piece of malware works.

Some people make a big deal out of the difference between types of malware -- it's just another facet of this attitude on the internet of "I know one thing about everything so I'm smart."

[DrauL]

Everyone is getting very uppity in here. Chill your stuff.

[Undead]

A fascist feminist homosexual Marxist banker professor and puppy killer was teaching a class on D3M0NW0LF, known fur enthusiast.

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship D3M0NW0LF and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!”

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, Anglo-Protestant AC world champion who had won 1500 tournaments, fully understood the necessity of trolling and fully supported all military decisions made by Russia stood up and held up a dog.

”How old is this dog, pinhead?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian”

”Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be a rock by now”

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of his deviantart fur-fiction. He stormed out of the room crying those feminist crocodile tears. The same tears feminists cry about the “patriarchy” when they jealously try to claw justly earned status from the deserving male job creators. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, X-Ray Dog, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a dirty sophist pinko commie professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!

The students applauded and all joined oNe that day and accepted Waffles as their lord and savior. A Golden Retriever named “Please don't hurt me” leaped into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The forum rules were read several times, and Mael himself showed up and enacted a ban upon beastiality across the whole country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

[DrauL]

tl;dr

[Orynge]

You already chased him off the forums Undead, no need to continue.

[vonunov]

Ah, we're just havin' fun DrauLie. :3

[DrauL]

Ah, we're just havin' fun DrauLie. :3

Well Boomy is your buddy, so play nice <3

[X-Ray_Dog]

I'm going to leave the post. It's his last one for a while so why not.

[Mousikos]

I take for granted that when people talk about a "virus" they mean malware in general, when we're not in some situation where the distinction actually matters.

Even the internal tech support guys where I work just say "virus", and they're talking to other techies so it's not as if they wouldn't be understood. It just doesn't matter unless you're digging into exactly how this particular piece of malware works.

Some people make a big deal out of the difference between types of malware -- it's just another facet of this attitude on the internet of "I know one thing about everything so I'm smart."

Maybe it's just where I'm from but people seem to distinguish between rootkits, trojan horses, and viruses. Everything else is malware.

[Krayce]

Here you can see cyber-attack over the world in real time: http://cyberwar.kaspersky.com/

[1Cap]

At the site where the game is most searched in Brazil, the game is downloaded along with spyware.
This spyware reduces the performance of the Internet. So the Brazilians have lag in the game.
More than 2 million downloads of the game! Understand what that means? The game has been downloaded over 2 million times with spyware embedded in it.

- Weigh out of the box
:)

[Mousikos]

So stop downloading it from shitty websites, Brazillians.