Riverside

[MorganKell]

This map is an old one from .93 and even further back. It is ac_Elevation's brother map. It demands official map-pack status. It has it's quirks and some problems with implementation i.e. is laggy up the sides as Kiwi said, but it's one of the most fun maps ever made. Someone needs to fix her up to standards so we can get her in the package.

[RandumKiwi]

Look, get permission from the owner of the map before you do anything. Ensure they realise that once a map is included in AC, it can't be removed.

... then we can talk about officialism.

[Takkunen]

why not just have a remake?

[Oracle]

Again, permissions afaik.
You could always try here.

[MorganKell]

A remake would be awesome... assuming it follows the path of awesome that Riverside was and forever will be. However... the trouble is that there will never be another "Riverside" or even another "Elevation". Maps are created once and for all time. When they reach their finished product their style is never truly able to be duplicated without massive dedication. I'd love to see Shadow remake or actually just tidy up Riverside enough to get rid of the lag on the sides (if it makes ya feel better Shadow I eat lag like a BAWS :D.)

Not only are Riverside and Elevation excellent examples of what a map should be, they're downright AWESOME examples of a mapper reaching the pinnacle of success in a chosen pursuit.

A&D_Shadow :: We await more of your creations. Make them how you see fit and allow us the honor of tweaking them.

[Takkunen]

what has to be done to reduce the lag? i just went on riversid3 and removed everything, the middle left me at around 3-4k wqd but the one below that(wvt??) was still at 11k.

[bballn45]

They need a like button on AC forums because this topic would have lots of them.

[YesWeCamp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czrDVPogF28
* YesWeCamp <3 riverside
Btw. There is a new version of this map with Niebs textures. Didnt see it yet?

[MorganKell]

Idk about the lag Sir Tak, you'd have to ask the devs about that one, but tbh I've never had lag on riverside and my comp is from 2005 i.e. the one I started with. :).

[Nightmare]

Ensure they realise that once a map is included in AC, it can't be removed

What was that poll about killing off several official maps then? :p


And with rattrap/industrial in the package, riverside should be no problem.

[Woolly]

Am I the only one who likes rattrap? When I used to care about ladder stats that was my favourite ratio whoring map. I really enjoy it. Especially when playing it with experienced players in an DM inter setting. :) I will agree that it is absolutely rubbish for any more than 6 people.. It gets way too congested in some areas and shotguns can easily thin out the heard.

I would love to see a remake of it which would make it a bit more balanced. Keep the bases as they are but stretch out everything in between, add some new long halls and other areas to compensate for the smallness of the map. I suppose this very thing can be said about most maps.

I changed my mind. Hey Jiba! Make a few new big maps would ya! :D

[RandumKiwi]

[quote='RandumKiwi' pid='113904' dateline='1353301776']And with rattrap/industrial in the package, riverside should be no problem.

Those maps push the boundaries, but don't exceed them drastically. The left/right sides of riverside confuse people who find everything is fine and then suddenly their computer lags.

Additionally, riverside's lighting is mostly fullbright, it needs re-doing.

[Felix-The-Ghost]

I didn't see any screenshots or anything but I'm assuming the ac_riverside2012 on my computer is it. Didn't look that impressive. It's solid but I don't see why everyone's going nuts over it. You can argue that it's for game-play and not looks, but then you should bring ac_wasteland back if that's the case.

[Oracle]

bring ac_wasteland back

Which they are / will be forced to do ;)
If we keep bringing it up enough, that is.

[Felix-The-Ghost]

Halo said he was working on it but I don't know of his progress.

[Takkunen]

I was thinking, with riverside, what if the rocks were pushed further forward each side, making bends along that straight, if you couldn't see the other side, that would reduce the wqd to a playable level perhaps?

[Orynge]

And maybe changing the map to a nighttime setting.

[MerCyKiL]

if someone wants to give me this map file, i'd love to try and fix it. ive had some success in fixing other maps in the past

[Oracle]

^It's nice to see people volunteering to fix her up.
However (and I mean no offense by this to you) this map is a bit different from Rabins_Oasis and oldvillage, especially if it's to become official.
I feel like I sound rude with that, but idk how to say it in a nicer way - I'm talking about the map not you D:, just want to make that clear.

[Felix-The-Ghost]

I don't see anyone talking about those maps.

[XFA]

Take a look at this: http://andclan.yourbb.nl/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=498

[Nightmare]

Looks better than before. :)
Hardcore detail mappers won't like it, has a lot of texture clash and such, but seems like an interesting map for gameplay. <3
Also @ performance. I play at /maxfps 75 to run most official maps with stable fps, but without the cap a lot of the maps can rise to 130+ easily. Rattrap cuts that number by more than half, while riverside matches or beats other official maps by staying at 75 around the whole map.
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2073/...dfdbcb.png
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8655/...f88d59.png

[MerCyKiL]

^It's nice to see people volunteering to fix her up.
However (and I mean no offense by this to you) this map is a bit different from Rabins_Oasis and oldvillage, especially if it's to become official.
I feel like I sound rude with that, but idk how to say it in a nicer way - I'm talking about the map not you D:, just want to make that clear.

well those maps arent exactly the most architecturally advanced but i really wasn't citing those as examples. i have spent what seems like countless hours now editing, expanding, or contracting maps like ac_desert and ac_snow (obviously these versions are not available to the public because of copyright infringements). but while doing this i have found that i can keep the same appearance of the map while lowering ceilings/shrinking open spaces/etc...

if you are questioning my mapping abilities (that's cool man, you have reason to), i will have you know that there is really no "mapping" skill involved in editing map dimensions. you don't create new buildings or anything. its pretty much the art of copying and pasting in the right places (the way i look at it at least).



/ontopic judging by XFA's link and Nightmare's screenies, i remember this map. its still played lol. its on a ladder but i forget which one...i think its BoB's

[Ronald_Reagan]

B} servers ran it for awhile. (might still)

[jiba]

Am I the only one who likes rattrap? Hey Jiba! Make a few new big maps would ya! :D

I believe our favorite dog is on the case to make a big map soon. I like rattrap a lot; I can't play it on my poor little net book (seriously poor graphic handing) but on my other laptop it is just fine.

I feel some nostalgia for riverside but it’s not my favourite map by Shadow, that will be elevation one of my two favourite official maps. If I were a dev I would be desperately trying to obtain dusk. Its a little gem of a map.

[Oracle]

^Finally! So true, ac_dusk is a very nice map.



Dusk for Official 2012.

[Nightmare]

Is dusk the little nieb texture one with the diagonal scaffold bridge in the middle?

[Oracle]

It is indeed.

[MerCyKiL]

Am I the only one who likes rattrap? Hey Jiba! Make a few new big maps would ya! :D

I feel some nostalgia for riverside but it’s not my favourite map by Shadow

FINALLY. have we all overlooked how ac_silence? does that map not appeal to anyone here besides me? lol

[Orynge]

I think that the last time it was suggested, many people said they didn't like the layout.